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  • Apr 12, 2023
    DATA

    Ignorant transphobes = people who believe in material reality

    i dont think you know what that means

  • Apr 12, 2023
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    SABMAN TURNT

    ignorant transphobes = banned

    was thinking about it when i saw his account was made april 7th lol

  • SABMAN TURNT 🧔🏻
    Apr 12, 2023
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    was thinking about it when i saw his account was made april 7th lol

    lol exactly

    sorry for interrupting your discussion, i’m sure they’ll reply on their next alt later tonight

  • Apr 12, 2023
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    has progress stalled? obviously there are still roadblocks, pushback, and detractors but I'd be shocked to see quantifiable evidence that suggests we're less progressive than we were 5 years ago.

  • Apr 12, 2023
    MCN

    has progress stalled? obviously there are still roadblocks, pushback, and detractors but I'd be shocked to see quantifiable evidence that suggests we're less progressive than we were 5 years ago.

    There is a lot of pushback lately

  • Apr 12, 2023
    MCN

    has progress stalled? obviously there are still roadblocks, pushback, and detractors but I'd be shocked to see quantifiable evidence that suggests we're less progressive than we were 5 years ago.

    id say things may have been better 5 years ago when trans ppl weren't put under a microscope by the right, in the past 3 years theres been a huge increase in anti-trans fearmongering which has led to legislation with this year already having more than double of last years legislation being introduced, and this is just in the US, i cant speak for how bad things are overseas

    here's a good source to see the bills and what stage they're in
    translegislation.com
    translegislation.com/learn

  • OP
    Apr 12, 2023
    SABMAN TURNT

    ignorant transphobes = banned

  • Apr 12, 2023
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    you can talk about middle ground all you want my guy, ill continue to focus on real, material effects and outcomes.

    You can do that but you’re either misunderstanding or choosing to ignore my point: in sports there needs to be a middle ground otherwise you end up with women not being able to compete fairly, or you end up with a blanket ban on trans people in athletics which is the case right now, and the ban will remain unless people engage in a discussion to find a compromise.

  • Apr 12, 2023
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    Glentothe

    You can do that but you’re either misunderstanding or choosing to ignore my point: in sports there needs to be a middle ground otherwise you end up with women not being able to compete fairly, or you end up with a blanket ban on trans people in athletics which is the case right now, and the ban will remain unless people engage in a discussion to find a compromise.

    Have you ever thought about the fact that the people with the power to enact these laws do not care about finding a compromise

  • RASIE

    Stop watching Vice first of all.

    Progress has stalled because barely anybody cares about making progress. Like virtually every other identity-based movement, it has been willingly given over to corporate and capital interests to do whatever they please with. Progress (i.e., material change and organization taking action towardd it) has been gleefully replaced with "progress" in the mainstream, where the utmost importance is put on images, symbols, and identification that will never result in anything more than superficial distractions for people who are bored and unfulfilled in their middle-class existence.

    Legalizing gay marriage wasn't even much progress to begin with. The biggest change that resulted from legal gay marriage was same-sex couples being eligible for marital tax benefits. Gay couple could always have a ceremony and spend their lives together like any other married couple. There is nothing special about the state officially recognizing your relationship.

    That empty sentiment is just the capstone in the bullshit mainstreaming of gayness (and other subcultures) that has been going on for the past 35 years. Asking "why has progress stalled" today is stupid. It's been stalled for over three decades ever since idea of making gay people safe enough for mainstream consumers to enjoy started being celebrated.

    It's still insane to me that legalizing gay marriage was such a media blockbuster when fortune 500 companies and regional powerhouses have always (and still) tailor the language of their training and disclosure materials to either include or omit protections against employment discrimination in regards to sexual orientation based on which state they are hiring you in, or sometime which state the company is headquartered in.

    Watching s*** like that Vice video or scrolling through social media looking for anti-gay bullshit all day can make anything feel dangerous. Sensation isn't reality. Unless you're living in a 1200 population Mississippi or Alabama town where local bars wont let you inside if you're hat is turned backwards, there's no rational reason for any gay person living in metro-America to feel in danger. If gay people were actually in danger then we would see a lot more of actual action and collectivism towards material change instead of a s*** ton of "ong did you see this? i am scared" reactions to fearmongering media nonsense.

    Facts

    It’s all become just another stepping stone towards “equity” which is just another investment for billionaires and corporations to profit from while it only marginally benefits others

  • Apr 12, 2023
    Glentothe

    You can do that but you’re either misunderstanding or choosing to ignore my point: in sports there needs to be a middle ground otherwise you end up with women not being able to compete fairly, or you end up with a blanket ban on trans people in athletics which is the case right now, and the ban will remain unless people engage in a discussion to find a compromise.

  • Apr 12, 2023
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    Glentothe

    You can do that but you’re either misunderstanding or choosing to ignore my point: in sports there needs to be a middle ground otherwise you end up with women not being able to compete fairly, or you end up with a blanket ban on trans people in athletics which is the case right now, and the ban will remain unless people engage in a discussion to find a compromise.

    Americans are not interested in compromise

  • Apr 12, 2023

    all i see itt is vitamin d deficiency

    you niggas really need to go outside lmao. having this much hate in your heart for your fellow human beings is disgusting

  • Apr 12, 2023
    DATA

    im not even right wing dumbass i just don't uncritically accept gender ideology

    gender ideology

  • Apr 12, 2023
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    Can’t imagine caring what anyone else chooses to do with their life

  • Apr 12, 2023
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    Have you ever thought about the fact that the people with the power to enact these laws do not care about finding a compromise

    Yep; I live in a country with a s*** prime minister and government in power and the same country and same s*** party was in power back when the country legalised gay marriage due to immense pressure and lobbying from the public; its those same pressures on bigoted governments that forces change and I believe a healthy compromise can be achieved in democratic societies even with the worst governments.

  • Apr 12, 2023
    Sonini

    Americans are not interested in compromise

    The U.K. government isn’t much better but with enough of a push historically they will implement laws we want eventually

  • Apr 12, 2023
    cole breezy

    Can’t imagine caring what anyone else chooses to do with their life

    this is what it boils down to lmao how do niggas have this much time to get this upset over something that doesnt affect them personally

  • Apr 12, 2023
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    Glentothe

    Yep; I live in a country with a s*** prime minister and government in power and the same country and same s*** party was in power back when the country legalised gay marriage due to immense pressure and lobbying from the public; its those same pressures on bigoted governments that forces change and I believe a healthy compromise can be achieved in democratic societies even with the worst governments.

    i think you are wholly unaware of the forces at work here

  • Apr 12, 2023
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    Transphobes really do nothing but think about trans ppl all day

    Ive heard irl transphobes just start bringing up trans ppl out of nowhere mfs are obsessed

    Alphabet Mafia living in niggas heads for free

  • Apr 12, 2023
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    Sonini

    Americans are not interested in compromise

    conservatives don’t want to compromise man. it’s 2023 and ppl still doing the whole both sides thing

    can’t wait for this s*** to fall apart

  • Apr 12, 2023
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    i think you are wholly unaware of the forces at work here

    And I think you are going with an incredible patronising angle when I’m trying to have a simple discussion with you. We’ll leave it there bro.

  • Apr 12, 2023
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    afterimage

    conservatives don’t want to compromise man. it’s 2023 and ppl still doing the whole both sides thing

    can’t wait for this s*** to fall apart

    democrats aren't much better

    like for as much as i hate horseshoe theory politics the DNC arent the saviors of LGBT rights

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    democrats aren't much better

    like for as much as i hate horseshoe theory politics the DNC arent the saviors of LGBT rights

    ofc but until any further leftist party comes along all you can do is oppose conservatives admantanly and keep pressure on dems. And get organized with other leftists irl. And I can never both sides the two parties when republicans are openly calling for hostility and the dems concede unfortunately.

  • Apr 12, 2023
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    blonded

    as the only person who actually engaged with the s*** that was being posted in here

    you all are cringe loser cucks trying to browbeat others and claim you're too good to engage

    i get that it can be tiring to respond to talking points and s*** you see online, especially when less than 20% of it is in good faith probably. nobody is by any means obligated to actually argue with anyone. but i would rather have those types of posters to engage with instead of scrolling through pages of haughty posters calling people cocksuckers and then patting themselves on the back because they're on the correct side

    You're actually a real one for this