The album was never finished and he used it to sell those stem players. No one with a brain counts that as an album of his

That’s a lot of these bozos on this site lmaooo

No because

A) WTT was great

B) Jay could still fundamentally rap even if he wasn't in top form, unlike Kanye mumbling his way through tracks and Eminem rhyming a whole lot of nothing in awkward ways

C) He didn't bring any questionable, corny movements into hip hop in the early 2010s or really ever

Stop crying

My soulseek download says (FULL ALBUM FINAL) so idk man

Social media liking Ye more than ktt kills me man

Times are tough

You’re right op

Jay was always respectful to hip hop at a base level even at his "worst"

Ye and Em making a mockery of the craft at this point, though Ye is still a solid producer

Yeah cause Kanye was the blueprint for a lot of creatives in all aspects from the cover art, videos, shows, marketing, music, etc

I get that I may have worded this in a kinda spicy way but the core point that these two pillars in the culture are doing more harm than good being active within it still is frankly bulletproof

But none of their successors are actually good lmfaoo

A. WTT isn't a solo album. BP3 and MCHG were solo albums.

B. Jay's my dude but his flow has gotten quite sloppy and offbeat over the years. Sometimes, it sounds like borderline spoken word. But you're right that he's more likely to drop a solid verse than Ye/Em these days.

C. What corny movement did Ye bring? He mostly seemed to have influenced creative/artistic type rappers. The MAGA and Nazi s*** was just Ye destroying his own brand. It was never an actual movement in rap.

most of the weird nazi rap fans i see come in through the experimental underground scene (shed theory, yabujin, etc.) and YE24 antisemitism stuff

joey/shed theory due to their affiliations with sam hyde and MDE but some have said he’s distanced himself from hyde since he got more popular

bladee and lean have an alt-right contingency in their fanbase but bladee explicitly denounced it

even the phonk scene has a nazi presence in it

i think the underground stuff is mainly due to the demographics thats listening to it mostly which is teenage suburban white kids

Bobby never said they were good, and those successors not being good kinda help his point

I just think the debate is funny because it's such a weird ass one off event of an album "release"

It's like kanyes paradox "it is neither released or unreleased as it will never be finished anyways"

Aside from Def Jam & Universal, the others have personal issues with him

Well considering you can't condemn an entire scene based on a fringe contingent of said scene but you can condemn someone who publicly denies that the Holocaust happened and praises Hitler, the issue is pretty clear cut

Ight man

Come on thats funny dude

I disagree

There is already an influx of lyrical rappers rn and if Eminem is stopping them from thriving then that wave will never come back at all and even if he retires, his rap kids like NF are just going to take his lane and dominate so white people wont necessarily dump HipHop once Eminem retires because a replacement will just satisfy their music taste.

The right-wing agenda is almost non-existent musically outside of some fringe YouTube MAGA rappers so Kanye made no impact on that front whether he started it or not.

Without Mike, Cudi, and Push in his corner this man is cooked artistically and he can't even get distro for his music lol

These were huge ties he needed that fell apart irretrievably

How? If Ye retired and we’re left with Thug, Keef and Carti successors how does that improve the game?

most of the ye24 fan accts you see on social media these days are unironic nazis

they repost his clips talking about jewish people and various far-right memes

it’s sad but it’s quite undeniable that he has a sizable portion of his fanbase that doesn’t really like him for his music but rather his crankery

OP ( @simulacrum ) should get banned for what is possibly the most demented, misguided, misinformed, & utterly b**** ass take I've ever seen on a "hip-hop forum".