I can't think of any artists in hip hop whose presence within the genre is genuinely hurting hip hop at a major level besides these two guys tbh. Both at their absolute lowest creatively and have been exposed as charlatans in varying capacities.

If Eminem retired a serious resurgence in lyrical hip hop could happen in the mainstream given that the corny "real hip hop" guys like Logic, Joyner, etc, would no longer be validated in the culture by an active hip hop artist and would either need to actually make good music or, more realistically, retire. A lot of white people would also lose interest in hip hop, and these were the types that pretty much only listen to Eminem to begin with, so getting them out of the culture would be nice.

If Kanye retired the right-wing co-opting of hip hop wouldn't be validated anymore either and these relatively successful far-right trolls would start to fade into obscurity as the alt-right abandons the fringes of rap and goes on to exploiting a different culture.

With neither making worthwhile art anymore, the game would be a lot better if these washed up old men would do us all a favor and never record a rap verse or create a song again.

I disagree

You raise some interesting points. I’m not sure if those things would go away with Ye/Em though. The impact is already there.

Donda 2 is a blemish on the culture and Eminem voluntarily booted himself out of the top 5 convo by any serious fans of rap music due to decades of terrible material

We good on that

I agree

There is no Donda 2

The new ye record ain't all that good but God damn dog gotta retire for the game to heal ? That's a crazy way of thinking lol

Op sounding like the witness off destiny 2 lmao

My intuitive skill has already blocked op

Just need S to hide the threads to blocked accounts

Considering Kanye West is a washed up Nazi I think it's safe to say we can retire him from the culture

All of this is wrong lol

Em hasn't dropped an album in years before revial and after music to be murdered by side b, and those types of rappers are still making music.

And right wing co-opting of hip hop isn't credited to ye.

Nfs idk why that’s not an option lol idk why blocked accounts can still reply to you too

You can't see threads that people you blocked posted, unless someone sends you the link or you are tagged itt

You were not tagged itt so either you are lying about blocking me or you and some other losers on this site gossip about me on Discord or something lmao

Down terrible as usual

eminem or kanye west retiring will change literally nothing within the culture

Those types of rappers were out before Em and were active during his initial hiatus lol

What does retirement even look like nowadays. You could take a 5+ year break and still be a part of the conversation

OP onto something

Ye isn't putting out enough music to have a huge impact on the current state of the game imo

His influence isn't as heavy in regards to his new music as you think it is.

The argument would make more sense if you said drake imo. He puts out so much mid, that a drought from him would make more of an impact in terms of sound imo cause he's constantly in people ear.

Drake is way better than Kanye in 2023 lmao, and he can still rap fundamentally. Kanye and Em cannot rap anymore

nigga said charlatans

I agree, but a lot of drakes good stuff is masked by uninspired garbage imo which is what a lot of rap is now. Uninspired throwaways put out to make buzz for a week maybe then repeat

Eminem hasn’t dropped an album in almost 4 years. And it’s been 3 years since the deluxe of that which was his last fill project.

lol if I speak..

The Eminem s\*\*\* is spot on though