basically this

I did not f*** with MMBS at first, but I came to realize it was because it didn’t fit my expectation of what a departure from DAMN would sound like. I’ve grown to appreciate the sounds and themes that Kendrick wanted to create on this album, but still believe he could’ve trimmed the fat some places and focused more energy in others. To me, people are talking about MMBS like it’s Honestly, Nevermind bad, but I honestly think it’s up there but not quite the album of the year. You can tell the level of care that goes into a Kendrick Lamar album versus a Drake album and it has never been more apparent than those two releasing practically side-by-side. In short, MMBS is an overhated project that I think will age the exact opposite of DAMN and become appreciated over time whereas DAMN aged like milk IMO

On top of this, when a conscious rapper hops on trap production it’s not even cool trap production. It’s not the type of trap beats the culture is currently f***ing with, it usually sounds like some s*** you’d hear on Empire that was inspired by IYRTITL

That’s why the “well they hop on trap beats and y’all still don’t like em” point is moot when they’re not even on the right trap beats lol

I like some of the b.o.b. flat esrth albums

This might not be as grand and climate based as it would seem. It could honestly be as simple as their voices tbh. I could imagine rap fans not f***ing with the enunciation and delivery of current conscious rappers - it can be grating to the ears, cringey and distracting a lot of the time

The producers have a lot of blame in this as well. How conscious can you be on trap beats fr

the underachievers had so much potential omg

I like conscious but not as much as hardcore, trap or other styles with interesting production. Little Brother and Phonte are some of my favourite rap acts for example.

Because being socially aware isn't cool

We've fostered a culture where intelligence is shunned and ignorance is applauded

Thats why cats like Lil Baby, Kendrick, etc are dope. They speak on street s*** in a way thats catchy but when you dig deep into it its a critique of that lifestyle

why would a like to be advised from a (usually) failure rapper rather than playing 21 savage verse where he portray crime scene in my head ? (yeah crime scene is just an example but that's rap u know? )

i like poetry to bring imagination in a very transparent form rather than lupe fiasco rapping 45 mins of quadruple entendrees with conscious topics.. that is very forced, unsincere to me..

Listening to a carefully crafted conscious rap song requires effort. A lot of KTT users are lazy and only pay attention to the beat.

The songs are not that good

Also, the concept of what it means to be “conscious” is silly and needs to be remixed a bit because there’s a ton of ‘conscious’ subject matter in pop rap

lmaoo great point. Black ppl have been arguing about this since DuBois vs Booker T Washington tbh

Drogas Light was really an example of this, sounded like bunch of B.o.B type beats smh

Sure

Word salad

Probably part of why Drake, Kendrick & Cole are still on average the most popping

Actually sounds like an Italian thing

Exactly..

They’re the last of a dying breed.

Once they’re done, it’s gonna be dark days ahead

I have a had time getting how someone who acknowledges themselves as a hip-hop head would dislike something as masterly crafted as the likes of "Black On Both Sides", "Be", and "Blackstar".

I get why casual audiences wouldn't be for it, but for people who pride themselves on being a aficionado of the genre it would be a bit jarring to absorb.

Was diff context back then, its was great for it. Fast forward 20-30 years n add some extreme commodification and its a whole diff game. Ofc niggas wasn't thinking like that then.

Compare godspeed for womens rights

to

Six kids wit me ain’t think bout no abortions yea

Don’t even think it comes down to being conscious or not. Some of it is about actual knowledge of the English language and a lack of an attention span.

Younger people in school are just more illiterate on average compared to kids in school 20-30 years ago.

You throw on Nas and the majority of these young kids have no clue what he’s saying and don’t have to the attention span to follow it even if they did understand.

Throw on Mobb Deep and they can’t follow that s*** either. And Mobb Deep ain’t conscious or preachy, they’re telling you real s*** straight from the streets. Hardest bars OAT on some of their songs , and even they’re beyond what people can comprehend these days.

because most conscious rap isn’t interesting musically and I care more about that than what someone has to say almost all the time