Dec 8, 2020·1 reply
Rosebud2019 was one of the worst
Legitimately can't think of any great movies beyond The Irishman, Glass (did well but its such an anti MCU movie and its extremely rare we get one of those films), A Hidden Life (a movie affected by the Disney model since it didnt screen anywhere in 2019) and Uncut Gems (which didn't even do well) that came out of America.
Parasite
Portrait of a lady on fire
Uncut gems
Honey boy
The lighthouse
The Irishman
Last black man in San fran
Marriage story
Once upon a time in Hollywood
Peanut butter falcon
Pain and glory
The farewell
Little women
Midsommar
Birds of passage
The NightingaleAnd then we still had enjoyable movies like Us, Ad astra, Waves, Booksmart, 1917, Dolemite is My Name
I won’t include Endgame since that’s what’s being argued against. And I personally haven’t seen A hidden life to include in my favs but I’ll take your word for it that it’s great.
I just don’t see how anyone can see this list and say “2019 was the worse” And I’m not even naming all the great movies that came out.
- Dec 8, 2020·2 repliesPurified water
Parasite
Portrait of a lady on fire
Uncut gems
Honey boy
The lighthouse
The Irishman
Last black man in San fran
Marriage story
Once upon a time in Hollywood
Peanut butter falcon
Pain and glory
The farewell
Little women
Midsommar
Birds of passage
The NightingaleAnd then we still had enjoyable movies like Us, Ad astra, Waves, Booksmart, 1917, Dolemite is My Name
I won’t include Endgame since that’s what’s being argued against. And I personally haven’t seen A hidden life to include in my favs but I’ll take your word for it that it’s great.
I just don’t see how anyone can see this list and say “2019 was the worse” And I’m not even naming all the great movies that came out.
'Hollywood' is also p great. Wasn't a fan of Marriage Story but back in the early 2010s, Baumbach used to get his films shown in theaters and now hes been relegated to streaming.
Definitely wouldn't say Peanut Butter Falcon, Honey Boy, Farewell, Midsommar, Little Women, or Nightingale are GREAT. They're fine but again a number of these movies were also impacted hard in theaters and hardly shown if at all.
The rest named are non american films.
- Dec 8, 2020·1 replyRosebud
'Hollywood' is also p great. Wasn't a fan of Marriage Story but back in the early 2010s, Baumbach used to get his films shown in theaters and now hes been relegated to streaming.
Definitely wouldn't say Peanut Butter Falcon, Honey Boy, Farewell, Midsommar, Little Women, or Nightingale are GREAT. They're fine but again a number of these movies were also impacted hard in theaters and hardly shown if at all.
The rest named are non american films.
I mean bro what are we discussing here, that great films don’t do as well in theaters? Because I won’t argue that, that’s clearly obvious since the beginning of time.
You said because of the MCU it’s shifting the industry to stop making great films. How’s that so when we still are IMO getting great films. Idc how we’re getting them if it’s streaming or limited theatrical release, we still are getting great films from the industry.
Great films not doing good in theaters and the industry not making great films anymore is two different arguments.
- Dec 8, 2020·1 replyRosebud
'Hollywood' is also p great. Wasn't a fan of Marriage Story but back in the early 2010s, Baumbach used to get his films shown in theaters and now hes been relegated to streaming.
Definitely wouldn't say Peanut Butter Falcon, Honey Boy, Farewell, Midsommar, Little Women, or Nightingale are GREAT. They're fine but again a number of these movies were also impacted hard in theaters and hardly shown if at all.
The rest named are non american films.
Also what does non American films have to do with anything? Isn’t the film you named partially German?
- Dec 8, 2020·1 replyPurified water
Also what does non American films have to do with anything? Isn’t the film you named partially German?
Its from an American filmmaker and was distributed by American companies despite taking place in Germany
- Dec 8, 2020·1 replyPurified water
I mean bro what are we discussing here, that great films don’t do as well in theaters? Because I won’t argue that, that’s clearly obvious since the beginning of time.
You said because of the MCU it’s shifting the industry to stop making great films. How’s that so when we still are IMO getting great films. Idc how we’re getting them if it’s streaming or limited theatrical release, we still are getting great films from the industry.
Great films not doing good in theaters and the industry not making great films anymore is two different arguments.
I am saying many of those filmmakers used to get their movies shown in theaters and now they aren't, while also making pretty watered down art frankly.
I think its become a lot more rare that we see great films coming from Hollywood now. And when they do, they either flop or barely make back their money (Fury Road, Blade runner 2049, The Irishman, Uncut Gems, etc.)
- Dec 8, 2020·1 replyRosebud
Its from an American filmmaker and was distributed by American companies despite taking place in Germany
Ok fair but still what does origin of country have to do with the discussion?
Your original post stated “the MCU is literally shifting the industry from making good films”
I’m strictly speaking to that. Not who has to go to streaming. Or who does well in American theaters.
Because you yourself mentioned Irishman being one of the only great films of 2019. But then when I presented my list you said Marriage story’s director use to have their films in theaters but now have to go to streaming. Cant the same be said about Irishman?
But to me it shouldn’t be said about either film because that wasn’t the discussion. Because wether it’s streaming or theatrical release industries are still giving us great films.
- Dec 8, 2020·1 replyRosebud
I am saying many of those filmmakers used to get their movies shown in theaters and now they aren't, while also making pretty watered down art frankly.
I think its become a lot more rare that we see great films coming from Hollywood now. And when they do, they either flop or barely make back their money (Fury Road, Blade runner 2049, The Irishman, Uncut Gems, etc.)
Bro the MCU/Disney formula isn’t to fully blame for that. We literally have 100s of streaming apps now with Hulu/ Netflix shelling out money to obtain indie Sundance flicks. We can’t compare to how things was back in the day because back then there was no streaming apps, or they weren’t as popular so of course more movies would go to theaters. That’s what I’m saying you’re combing two different discussions. I’m only speaking on the sentence you said about “Disney literally shifted studios to not making good films”.....I just don’t see how that’s true. If a good movie is made but goes straight to streaming it still literally being made...
- Dec 8, 2020Fulci Burnett
Kevin Feige destroyed cinema with his despicable excuse for a film franchise. Tailor making every Marvel film for fan boy man children who have no problem watching the same films that hit the same beats and are so calculated to fulfill your big summer blockbuster needs they feel closer to ads on instagram than a real movie.
Anyone who legitimately thinks Marvel studio deserves any of the love & respect it gets deserves to be thrown in a gulag and burned alive.
RASIE 🎣Dec 8, 2020·editedFulci Burnettsounds like you're making excuses for why Feige chooses to make the safest blandest films possible. You know there was a time where filmmakers could make huge blockbusters that appealed to audiences but weren't calculated by studio execs who barely knew anything about film.
Feige is everything wrong with mainstream cinema. MCU started industrial cinema wave - films that are made quick and easy with a million producer notes for their directors to follow to guarantee a crowd pleasing experience by braindead zombies who are easy manipulated. Rise of Skywalker was soulless nostalgia bait and it was heavily influenced by the MC which worked in Disney's favor because average movie goers loved it.
Say what you want about the DCU but the entire universe started with an auteur director's vision. It was compromised with BvS but even that movie feels like a frankenstein mix of Snyder's vision and Warner Bros desperate need for a superhero universe. It's not as one sided as a Marvel film.
The whole idea that a superhero has to be "fun" and appeal to man children is the reason why lames like Bill Maher think comic books are an abomination. Looking at the MCU nobody would even know that the comic books sometimes are violent and gritty. It's never restricted to a lighthearted tone and constant need for lame quip. God forbid a cape flick resembles the real world.
you sound like a person who likes to based their opinion around youtube critics. good day sir.
To be fair, hollywood has been a producer-run assembly line since the mid-30s, and Disney in general (not just Marvel) has been playing market tyranny with vapid paint-by-numbers movie products (and actively blocking as many outsider films as possible from screening in American theaters) since the 90s.
But yes, Feige and MCU are certainly the newest and biggest wave of that pandered, s***core filmmaking.
Right now, and for the past 25 years, Disney has been stage 4 brain cancer for American film culture and is solely responsible for speeding up the downfall of fair screening practices and extremely limited box office options.
- Dec 8, 2020·2 repliesPurified water
Bro the MCU/Disney formula isn’t to fully blame for that. We literally have 100s of streaming apps now with Hulu/ Netflix shelling out money to obtain indie Sundance flicks. We can’t compare to how things was back in the day because back then there was no streaming apps, or they weren’t as popular so of course more movies would go to theaters. That’s what I’m saying you’re combing two different discussions. I’m only speaking on the sentence you said about “Disney literally shifted studios to not making good films”.....I just don’t see how that’s true. If a good movie is made but goes straight to streaming it still literally being made...
Well if you want to look at that, compare blockbusters in the 2000s to now
We had extremely diverse and very different styled franchises such as with Harry Potter, Pirates of the Caribbean, Nolans Batmans, Raimis Spider Mans, the Matrix trilogy, and the LOTR films just for some very varied examples
What do we have now? A bunch of the same marvel and dc movies? The fast and the furious movies which are essentially just MCU clones at this point? Bond movies which are more miss than hit? And a bunch of s***ty reboots which fail or get another s***ty sequel because they just try to rip off MCU formula and are so boring (detective pikachu, the rock movies, Enola Holmes, ghostbusters, Star Wars)
My whole point really is that the blockbuster system has become so homogenized and we really don’t get any more risks or something that’s well done and different. The closest you get is with a fury road or blade runner 2049 which barely make their money back if they even do.
Only franchises even worth a damn anymore are John Wick and MI and they’re fun thrill ride movies but they’re hardly doing anything great as actual movies
- Dec 8, 2020·1 replyPurified water
Ok fair but still what does origin of country have to do with the discussion?
Your original post stated “the MCU is literally shifting the industry from making good films”
I’m strictly speaking to that. Not who has to go to streaming. Or who does well in American theaters.
Because you yourself mentioned Irishman being one of the only great films of 2019. But then when I presented my list you said Marriage story’s director use to have their films in theaters but now have to go to streaming. Cant the same be said about Irishman?
But to me it shouldn’t be said about either film because that wasn’t the discussion. Because wether it’s streaming or theatrical release industries are still giving us great films.
Well I also said I don’t think Marriage Story is a good film but even if we pretended it is, I am not really arguing about filmmakers like Baumbach who barely need studios since they make such small movies that they don’t have to compromise much. Those established small filmmakers aren’t in danger from Disney. Although there is a discussion to be had about what the future of indie film would look like if theaters couldn’t show them. For example, were it not for local film festivals that show movies in theaters, a great film like S***house (from a first time filmmaker and a little known cast) would never have gotten the popularity it did since it was barely known and then after winning awards at a film festival became a widely available and praised movie.
My whole point is about how far the big budget studio system has fallen and that is because Disney has dissuaded them from making good art because they have seen a way to capitalize on s***ty formulaic movies that can start the next cinematic universe (the great Godzilla led to an awful sequel and now what seems to be another s***ty movie vs King Kong, Universal with their MonsterVerse which is off to a bad start with the horrible Invisible Man, Sony attempting a multi verse universe with spider man next it seems, etc)
- Dec 8, 2020·1 replyRosebud
Well if you want to look at that, compare blockbusters in the 2000s to now
We had extremely diverse and very different styled franchises such as with Harry Potter, Pirates of the Caribbean, Nolans Batmans, Raimis Spider Mans, the Matrix trilogy, and the LOTR films just for some very varied examples
What do we have now? A bunch of the same marvel and dc movies? The fast and the furious movies which are essentially just MCU clones at this point? Bond movies which are more miss than hit? And a bunch of s***ty reboots which fail or get another s***ty sequel because they just try to rip off MCU formula and are so boring (detective pikachu, the rock movies, Enola Holmes, ghostbusters, Star Wars)
My whole point really is that the blockbuster system has become so homogenized and we really don’t get any more risks or something that’s well done and different. The closest you get is with a fury road or blade runner 2049 which barely make their money back if they even do.
Only franchises even worth a damn anymore are John Wick and MI and they’re fun thrill ride movies but they’re hardly doing anything great as actual movies
Idk bro it seems like you’re finding any movie franchise you dislike nowadays and just blaming it on MCU while ignoring that bad movie franchises have always existed.
For example you mention Fast and Furious as if that movie franchise hasn’t been bad way before the MCU was even a thing. Yes they revamped to a more action based movie but they revamped before MCU was at the level it’s at now.
- Dec 8, 2020Rosebud
Well I also said I don’t think Marriage Story is a good film but even if we pretended it is, I am not really arguing about filmmakers like Baumbach who barely need studios since they make such small movies that they don’t have to compromise much. Those established small filmmakers aren’t in danger from Disney. Although there is a discussion to be had about what the future of indie film would look like if theaters couldn’t show them. For example, were it not for local film festivals that show movies in theaters, a great film like S***house (from a first time filmmaker and a little known cast) would never have gotten the popularity it did since it was barely known and then after winning awards at a film festival became a widely available and praised movie.
My whole point is about how far the big budget studio system has fallen and that is because Disney has dissuaded them from making good art because they have seen a way to capitalize on s***ty formulaic movies that can start the next cinematic universe (the great Godzilla led to an awful sequel and now what seems to be another s***ty movie vs King Kong, Universal with their MonsterVerse which is off to a bad start with the horrible Invisible Man, Sony attempting a multi verse universe with spider man next it seems, etc)
So pretty much you’re saying there’s a shift for big budget films? You should of said that originally because you worded it as if Hollywood is no longer making any great films anymore due to MCU.
- Dec 8, 2020·1 replyPurified water
Idk bro it seems like you’re finding any movie franchise you dislike nowadays and just blaming it on MCU while ignoring that bad movie franchises have always existed.
For example you mention Fast and Furious as if that movie franchise hasn’t been bad way before the MCU was even a thing. Yes they revamped to a more action based movie but they revamped before MCU was at the level it’s at now.
I mean the two best Fast and furious movies are Tokyo drift and 5 imo, which were both before the MCU craze really took off
Since then, we’ve just gotten it milked and now we have Hobbes and Shaw spin-offs and s***
And name one good franchise in the 2010s
I even named 2 so I’m not ignoring the good ones. The problem is the good ones seem to also follow a formula even if they’re well made but they’re not concerned about anything beyond action.
- Dec 8, 2020
WB trying to eat but f***ing over the theater industry and Legendary pictures in the process. The greed of Hollywood knows no bounds
- Dec 8, 2020Rosebud
I mean the two best Fast and furious movies are Tokyo drift and 5 imo, which were both before the MCU craze really took off
Since then, we’ve just gotten it milked and now we have Hobbes and Shaw spin-offs and s***
And name one good franchise in the 2010s
I even named 2 so I’m not ignoring the good ones. The problem is the good ones seem to also follow a formula even if they’re well made but they’re not concerned about anything beyond action.
I didn’t say you’re ignoring the good ones fam I said you’re ignoring the bad franchises that existed back in the day. That’s a terrible way to make a point because it comes off very bias. You’re essentially saying back in the 2000s movies franchises were so amazing and different and now a days they suck due to copying MCU. That’s not how it works bro.
I’d have to think which franchises I like because I don’t watch many, but planet of the apes definitely come to mind. You named MI and John wick, and personally I enjoy a lot of the MCU films.
- Dec 8, 2020·edited·1 replyRosebud
Well if you want to look at that, compare blockbusters in the 2000s to now
We had extremely diverse and very different styled franchises such as with Harry Potter, Pirates of the Caribbean, Nolans Batmans, Raimis Spider Mans, the Matrix trilogy, and the LOTR films just for some very varied examples
What do we have now? A bunch of the same marvel and dc movies? The fast and the furious movies which are essentially just MCU clones at this point? Bond movies which are more miss than hit? And a bunch of s***ty reboots which fail or get another s***ty sequel because they just try to rip off MCU formula and are so boring (detective pikachu, the rock movies, Enola Holmes, ghostbusters, Star Wars)
My whole point really is that the blockbuster system has become so homogenized and we really don’t get any more risks or something that’s well done and different. The closest you get is with a fury road or blade runner 2049 which barely make their money back if they even do.
Only franchises even worth a damn anymore are John Wick and MI and they’re fun thrill ride movies but they’re hardly doing anything great as actual movies
Also Pirates of the Caribbean was by no means great. So you can’t sit here and say “John wick BUT those films were fun not great” cus you’re just doing that to add to a bias narrative when you don’t say the same thing about the earlier films.
Hollywood before MCU had plenty of bad franchises, The Mummy, All them Step Up movies, some them Texas chainsaw massacre films, hell all them Jason/Freddy/Halloween remakes, them predator remakes, All them Tyler Perry movies, scary movie franchise, the transformers franchise, the resident evil franchise, the saw franchise, like bro s***ty franchises and remakes have existed way before the MCU got popping.
Also “the rock movies” which one? Cus a lot of those pre date before MCU. Also you threw in Star Wars but failed to mention the prequels and how bad they were before MCU happened.
The only ones who I’d agree is copying MCU is Fast and furious and DCU obviously. Are others films trying to have MCU’s success? I’d say yes but you’re basically naming every latest bad blockbuster film and saying it’s bad because of the MCU.
- Dec 8, 2020·1 replyPurified water
Also Pirates of the Caribbean was by no means great. So you can’t sit here and say “John wick BUT those films were fun not great” cus you’re just doing that to add to a bias narrative when you don’t say the same thing about the earlier films.
Hollywood before MCU had plenty of bad franchises, The Mummy, All them Step Up movies, some them Texas chainsaw massacre films, hell all them Jason/Freddy/Halloween remakes, them predator remakes, All them Tyler Perry movies, scary movie franchise, the transformers franchise, the resident evil franchise, the saw franchise, like bro s***ty franchises and remakes have existed way before the MCU got popping.
Also “the rock movies” which one? Cus a lot of those pre date before MCU. Also you threw in Star Wars but failed to mention the prequels and how bad they were before MCU happened.
The only ones who I’d agree is copying MCU is Fast and furious and DCU obviously. Are others films trying to have MCU’s success? I’d say yes but you’re basically naming every latest bad blockbuster film and saying it’s bad because of the MCU.
The first 2 pirates movies are fantastic and I would no lie take them over every blockbuster to come out of the 2010s besides Blade Runner 2049, Interstellar and Fury Road. There is very little nowadays that devotes itself nearly to the level of worldbuilding, commitment to mixing in various genres, and overall fantastic filmmaking like those first 2 films.
And my whole point is that while there were bad franchises in the 00s, theres no such thing as a great franchise today, while there were plenty of great ones in the 00s. Some other great ones not named were: The Bourne movies, X Men as well as the great blockbuster runs from Spielberg (Minority Report, War of the Worlds, AI) or even Pixar (esp compared to how bad they are now)
The prequels are divisive but factually it is one of the most audacious auteur driven and risky big budget endeavors ever taken in the history of hollywood. Compare the full out CGI experimentation and extremely unique and bold risky choices taken in every film that dared to be far more than just a typical sci fi action film to the nostalgia bait bullshit of the sequel trilogy that plays it safe at every single turn. In general you don't see risks taken in todays blockbusters, whereas in the 00s everyone got to fill their films with their ideas and even if some didn't full work, it was interesting to actually see films not play it safe at that level. Whereas nowadays, every big movie at best is mediocre because they limit themselves so much creatively.
Even the planet of the apes trilogy started off mediocre and then got a little better but it limited itself very hard because of how much it wanted to be derivative of 70s Hollywood Coppola era (the third film essentially being a diet Apocalypse Now and Bridge on the River Kwai crossover really made it hard to take seriously at a number of times)
Dec 8, 2020- Dec 8, 2020·edited·1 replyRosebud
The first 2 pirates movies are fantastic and I would no lie take them over every blockbuster to come out of the 2010s besides Blade Runner 2049, Interstellar and Fury Road. There is very little nowadays that devotes itself nearly to the level of worldbuilding, commitment to mixing in various genres, and overall fantastic filmmaking like those first 2 films.
And my whole point is that while there were bad franchises in the 00s, theres no such thing as a great franchise today, while there were plenty of great ones in the 00s. Some other great ones not named were: The Bourne movies, X Men as well as the great blockbuster runs from Spielberg (Minority Report, War of the Worlds, AI) or even Pixar (esp compared to how bad they are now)
The prequels are divisive but factually it is one of the most audacious auteur driven and risky big budget endeavors ever taken in the history of hollywood. Compare the full out CGI experimentation and extremely unique and bold risky choices taken in every film that dared to be far more than just a typical sci fi action film to the nostalgia bait bullshit of the sequel trilogy that plays it safe at every single turn. In general you don't see risks taken in todays blockbusters, whereas in the 00s everyone got to fill their films with their ideas and even if some didn't full work, it was interesting to actually see films not play it safe at that level. Whereas nowadays, every big movie at best is mediocre because they limit themselves so much creatively.
Even the planet of the apes trilogy started off mediocre and then got a little better but it limited itself very hard because of how much it wanted to be derivative of 70s Hollywood Coppola era (the third film essentially being a diet Apocalypse Now and Bridge on the River Kwai crossover really made it hard to take seriously at a number of times)
I mean bro we just going to have to agreee to disagree because everything you’re saying is a personal opinion but you’re passing it off like it’s facts. You’re trying to hard to downplay movies of today as if every film pre-MCU is superior. IMO John Wick is better than Pirates, I respect that you disagree but it doesn’t make the narrative you selling factual. I definitely believe the star wars sequels are wayyyy better than the prequels, and majority of people would agree. But once again you’re overselling the prequels over the sequels as a selling point to this narrative that I find false. Bad films and good films exist in every era and thinking MCU is this terrible franchise that is killing away films is crazy to me. Like I mentioned F&F has always been bad IMO, so using them as an example makes no sense because they didn’t become bad because of the MCU, they were already bad prior, and has been milking they franchise before MCU was a thing.
It comes across as if you believe the MCU started the whole cinematic universe and milking the franchise. I’m not saying that’s what you actually think but it comes across that way when you use films like F&F as an example when they’ve been doing the whole universe s*** first.
Just because MCU became one of the most successful with this formula doesn’t mean people are copying them all of a sudden. This formula has existed for years and some have tried and failed, the MCU just managed to gather a lot of success from it.
And lastly IMO the MCU got better films than some of the throwbacks you’ve named and have taken risk.
EDIT:
Also just for fun sake, let’s say I agreed with you that the MCU franchise is a bunch of terrible films. Is that the franchises fault for lacking the ability to create something better....or the consumers fault for loving the films and giving them their money? The MCU can’t exist without the consumers literally paying for it to exist. So it kinda shows this “problem” you think exist isn’t so 1-sided. It actually goes three ways, on the studios, the theaters and the fans. - Dec 8, 2020·1 replyFulci Burnett
this how yall look shilling for soulless corporations like Disney and hack producers like Kevin Feige
yo but like
what is this lmao
OPDec 8, 2020Y’all writing essays
- Dec 8, 2020ChiefSosa
Vaccine dropping in spring man this move was just unnecessary
real niggas not taking that until at least november lmao
gotta see how that s*** hit yall first lol
- Dec 9, 2020user
yo but like
what is this lmao
Idk how people even find weird s*** like that lol