notbrock

2y

I saw that happen in real time with lil pump

Now I’m seeing it again with Yeat

Ryuka

2y

crazy how his last album came and went tho

deleteduser579

2y

i saw it in 2017 when i was a freshman with Famous Dex

they weren’t playing ol boy by the time we were juniors besides that little Japan hit he had with Rocky

notbrock

2y

But again your going against your own argument

You just said the big 30+ artists who are actually doing numbers have a average fan base that aren’t kids

So how tf are the youth defining what’s popular?

Malcolm

2y

If the youth didn't define what is popular in rap why is TikTok the most important thing to rappers and labels for the past 5 years? The youth is the main factor in whether a rap song is a hit or not.

notbrock

2y

Damn I didn’t know you were that young. I graduated in 2015 so I’ve just watched the cycle happen a few times now lol

notbrock

2y

But you yourself just said the older guys doing bigger numbers don’t have a core audience of children

deleteduser579

2y

yeah i found this site when i was like 15

been on this hellhole for 7 years

but yeah i don’t know where they get the impression that teens are these extremely loyal and stable group of fans that stick by the artists their bumping at the time, lots of change happens during that period man—it’s even more cringe when you realize it’s niggas on here pushing 30 trying to tell you you’re out of touch for not gassing the millionth Carti clone

Malcolm

2y

"rap trend advancement and the value of rap skill in the mainstream have both slowed to a crawl"

This isn't a recent thing though depending on who you ask. Someone who grew up in the '90s and loved '90s rap would likely say the same thing about how mainstream rap since then has disregarded rap skill.

Saying shut up oldhead is valid because you can make a case for rap being s***, watered down, no skills in just about every generation.

Malcolm

2y

What young rappers don't have fundamental rap skills to you?

gnarlynasty

2y

Making 200 songs with all the same intentions behind them, hoping one of them will stick, has the same effort as an insurance salesman going door to door, hoping someone will buy insurance from them, even though they don't believe in the product.

There's effort, but there's also 0 respect for the artform, 0 craftsmanship.

Malcolm

2y

"rap trend advancement and the value of rap skill in the mainstream have both slowed to a crawl"

This isn't a recent thing though depending on who you ask. Someone who grew up in the '90s and loved '90s rap would likely say the same thing about how mainstream rap since then has disregarded rap skill.

Saying shut up oldhead is valid because you can make a case for rap being s***, watered down, no skills in just about every generation.

AvenueJones

2y

I been feeling this way for a minute it’s way too many niggas that clearly look at rap and music as a cash grab or a hustle.. which is cool but we need less of that and more artist actually in love with the art.

Even back in the 90s and 2000s there were rappers who claimed to only rap for the hustle.. but there was still some type of gatekeeping and order. You atleast had to be nice..

browser

2y

Yachty Carti Uzi Opium off the top of my head would be lost without that specific style of new type beat, cant stick to a topic and expound, watered down version of lil wayne > quavo school of punchlines “mask on mf doom” lol

Compare the heavyweights of the 2000’s to the “heavyweights” after 2016. And then thats not getting into the trajectory from Ye Wayne Jay to Kendrick Cole Drake to … Yachty Carti Uzi? Niggas havent had this conversation lol

Shady Ant

2y

KTT switches between complaining about rap being cooked among themselves, and s***ting on any musician who will say anything similar.
I personally don’t see how this comment is disrespecting hip hop at all. If anything, it seems like Tyler cares about the genre and wants it to be the best it can be.

browser

2y

But the reasons for it are different in this generation

And no something from 1997-1999 or couldnt have worked in 2002-2004 the way it would if you add 20 years to those timeframes

or 2004-2005/2006-2007/2008-2009 all having distinctly different vibes lol. There are small subtle things that changed like rage beats completely forming into a sound from little songs here and there or Detroit / florida sound coming up but even that is just est gee beats tweaked which is jeezy beats tweaked lol. There was no direct predecessor to Wayne Kanye Pharrell Hov and the moments they brought meanwhile most of the heavyweights now are just doing worse imitations of s*** from 2007-2013 lol. 50 cent wasnt just doing snoop or Pac cosplay the way carti doing to future rn or osamason and ken/keef/etc lol

Noir

2y

And it's not just about rappers who don't give a s***. It's about people treating actual artists with a vision like tryhards because they care about their art.

onedeep

2y

"Tyler likes a lot of younger dudes"
you can say that again

FOREVA

2y

i see some good points in your post, it’s just that a lot of “underground/newgen“ artists i listen to get put in that box instantly. people put a ceiling on them immediately, not giving them any room to grow which is not fair and hypocritical when you look at tyler back then vs now. someone said it very well itt that tyler was allowed to “blossom“ while some others are ridiculed almost immediately.

i don’t think everyone has to want to be the absolute best at what they do or even try to. niches exist for a reason and some people are just better off finding their lane and sticking with it. that’s not a bad thing imo. knowing what you do best and maximizing it is also a skill. maybe not as impressive as being able to make music in every genre, but it still is a skill.

i agree though that IF someone were to talk all that s*** without having any evidence to show for it, they absolutely must not get the credit they seek for.

browser

2y

Yachty Carti Uzi Opium off the top of my head would be lost without that specific style of new type beat, cant stick to a topic and expound, watered down version of lil wayne > quavo school of punchlines “mask on mf doom” lol

Compare the heavyweights of the 2000’s to the “heavyweights” after 2016. And then thats not getting into the trajectory from Ye Wayne Jay to Kendrick Cole Drake to … Yachty Carti Uzi? Niggas havent had this conversation lol