Valentine

2y

So…you answered your own question in your initial post?

Malcolm

2y

Tyler is an old head (33 years old) and old heads in every generation of rap has had the same opinion as tyler on new rappers and the state of rap music. KTT is old head status so I see why you and alot of others here agree strongly with his opinion.

The fact is rap has always been for the youth. It's not for people like Tyler and most people on this site anymore. The kids are gonna get inspired and identify with the rap that's coming out nowdays and the cycle will repeat once they get older. To deny there's any musicianship because it doesn't allign with your beliefs/views on the art form just shows you are dusty.

Malcolm

2y

It was a rhetorical question to another user but you seemed unable to understand so I answered it for you.

browser

2y

Niggas (mainstream) dont rap in a way that isnt vaguely influenced by thug migos future keef carti etc let alone having fundamental rap skills to begin lol

Why is that never focused on when we ask questions like this

gnarlynasty

2y

Making 200 songs with all the same intentions behind them, hoping one of them will stick, has the same effort as an insurance salesman going door to door, hoping someone will buy insurance from them, even though they don't believe in the product.

There's effort, but there's also 0 respect for the artform, 0 craftsmanship.

American Patriot

2y

Who is treating rappers who’s only skill is rapping and make “meme songs” as “artists” or “musicians”? What is he talking about? Sincerely asking

mr get dough

2y

He isnt wrong

The rappers hes talking about literally tell u they dgaf about music

voriox

2y

nigga 33 is not old you niggas are sick with that ageism mess s*** is sad. tyler likes a lot of younger dudes anyway that’s not at all what he’s talking about. just keep it a buck and admit yall hate tyler atp

FOREVA

2y

i see your point and i agree to an extent, but i was arguing with this poster specifically about the “effort“ and intention part of his post.

even in the example you gave, it is literally an effort to go from door to door trying to sell your product. whether you stand behind it or not doesn‘t change the fact that it is an effort. that was literally my point. (also you just attributed the not caring about the product part for no reason as i have i never said that).

anyways, i have always had a problem with people criticizing artists for dropping a lot of music ever since future‘s legendary run. more time spent does not guarantee a better product, especially not in arts. there is a word in my language which we use when people are too eager to perfect something that is already a great product. i don’t know how to properly translate it but it basically comes down to “too many cooks spoil the soup“. i never understood why so many people attribute time spent to quality of art when there have been examples like future, thug or hardrock who show that it is possible to create good music in a short amount of time.

Malcolm

2y

You do realize that most of them have a fanbase that's a bit older right. I'm sure the average age for a tyler fan is like 24 years old.

Peep what the youth is actually listening to and what rappers and styles of rap they are emulating/inspired by and none of it sounds like Tyler or any of those older rappers you're talking about.

browser

2y

Again why does this completely ignore that rap trend advancement and the value of rap skill in the mainstream have both slowed to a crawl lol

Its just shut up old head with no actual a***ysis of what was different in the rap game between 2005-2015 and 2016-2026

Also this site always kinda weird with this energy because id put a parlay on no one on this site being under 22-23 and moreso we probably collectively closer to 24-29 being generous lmao. Niggas tryna fake like wack music themselves into not aging and thats crazy lmao

FOREVA

2y

so creating 200 songs with the intention of at least one of them going viral isn’t an effort?

this is my problem with these threads cause people always pick and choose when, where and most importantly whom they appoint certain attributes/intentions to

making 200 songs (whether you like them or not) is quite literally an effort that is just a fact. and hoping that one of them goes viral is an intention, too.

neither criticism you have applies here. so what’s even your point?

he makes music i don’t like so he shouldn’t be successful?

what happened to letting niggas do whatever they want and if you don’t rock with it you simply ignore it?

AvenueJones

2y

I been feeling this way for a minute it’s way too many niggas that clearly look at rap and music as a cash grab or a hustle.. which is cool but we need less of that and more artist actually in love with the art.

Even back in the 90s and 2000s there were rappers who claimed to only rap for the hustle.. but there was still some type of gatekeeping and order. You atleast had to be nice..

notbrock

2y

Ok so what your saying just fell apart

Because what you just said means kids don’t matter and 24+ is actually who’s listening to the biggest artists

Malcolm

2y

Tyler is an old head (33 years old) and old heads in every generation of rap has had the same opinion as tyler on new rappers and the state of rap music. KTT is old head status so I see why you and alot of others here agree strongly with his opinion.

The fact is rap has always been for the youth. It's not for people like Tyler and most people on this site anymore. The kids are gonna get inspired and identify with the rap that's coming out nowdays and the cycle will repeat once they get older. To deny there's any musicianship because it doesn't allign with your beliefs/views on the art form just shows you are dusty.

Malcolm

2y

My point was that the youth defines what rap is, shapes its culture, and decides where it goes.Without the kids rap dies just like the other popular genres before it.

Noir

2y

What does being "for the youth" have to do with rappers openly not giving a s*** about hip hop and only using it for money and clout? Like mfs are really open about that these days

AvenueJones

2y

I been feeling this way for a minute it’s way too many niggas that clearly look at rap and music as a cash grab or a hustle.. which is cool but we need less of that and more artist actually in love with the art.

Even back in the 90s and 2000s there were rappers who claimed to only rap for the hustle.. but there was still some type of gatekeeping and order. You atleast had to be nice..

notbrock

2y

Also the idea that more teenagers know and listen to Carti clone #4357 then Tyler or any other 30+ big name rapper is crazy. These guys don’t have the presence irl that you think they do

Noir

2y

And it's not just about rappers who don't give a s***. It's about people treating actual artists with a vision like tryhards because they care about their art.

deleteduser579

2y

they also don’t understand that them niggas GROW UP and stop f***ing with that s*** eventually lol

Tkken

2y

"whats even your point"

that you cant compare early tyler to destroy lonely. it was in my comment

and its not about not wanting him to be successful, I have some destroy lonely songs in my playlists lol

and yes obviously literally every piece of music has some amount of effort/intention behind it, we're talking relatively here. I dont think destroy lonely is very deliberate about how he makes music because he spams the same formula to make a huge volume of tracks and hopes 1-2 blow up

deleteduser579

2y

basically any abstract/experimental hip-hop artist 😏

or the guy in your profile picture 😏