Song is so hard

i just read through this thread again

major point to the “MBDTF was stomp clap hey” music argument is that We Are Young was initially meant for MBDTF/WTT (their sessions heavily overlapped) before it was given to Fun.

If you honestly think 36 Chambers sounds like it's trying to sound like anything other than the grimiest traditional hip hop possible, I'm sincerely at a loss for words.

native tongues was in the 80s when white people was still infatuated with rock/kinda stepping into hip hop & black people thinking some of those niggas was kinda corny

and also Native Tongues once you get past the aesthetics, they was still very much very very niggafied. De La Soul got in many fights and hated that they was called hippies. Dres of Black Sheep regularly kept a gun on him. And Tribe Called Quest was very much still very much not hipster-friendly

Positive messages and musical experimentation are good.

Constantly comparing yourself to white billionaires and describing traditional hip hop production techniques as primitive unless they incorporate elements of western pop music and/or European dance music is, generally, not good.

Some fascinating takes in this thread and I tend to agree with OP. A few specific thoughts:

• Pitchfork’s 10 for MBDTF was clearly a major turning point in how white hipsters viewed contemporary rap music, for better and worse. I don’t think they were wrong about acclaiming it, but holding it up as this untouchable album has clearly aged poorly. To the points about the mixing and mastering in particular, a lot of people took the wrong lessons from the album - especially the subtext that a “good” rap album has to sound grandiose and be made by a bunch of folks in suits bringing white artists into the fold. For that matter, prior to Kanye torpedoing his own career, it was actively hard to critique the album throughout the 10s. In hindsight… it’s not aging flawlessly.

• Kanye’s rise in high fashion alongside his rise in music also promoted hyper consumerism among his fans, adding even more of a class element when only the richest could attend the listening parties, wear a Life of Mamba shirt, or get in on a Yeezy drop. The suburban white kid wearing bapes wasn’t a new concept, but he took it to an entirely new level. To this day, the hypebeast culture feels vulture-y as hell and completely divorced from the ethos of hip-hop culture.

Basically, it's like this.

Eminem brought in the Middle America and foreign non-Black fans who saw him as the pinnacle of rap while discrediting most Black rappers.

Drake brought in the radio listeners and casuals who are obsessed with numbers and pop level a***ysis of hip hop that measures hip hop by streams and popularity.

Kanye brought in the pretentious hipsters who measure rap by how artsy, experimental, or "genre bending" it is.

Early Tyler and Odd Future brought in the edgelords, skaters, and punks who also didn't care for hip hop but liked the edgy aesthetic and songs they made.

Now we podding.

Bro was making Manhattan bar crawl music from 2010-2012.

Drake and Tyler (and Odd Future by extension) are the children of Ye (as much as Drake/drake fans don't wanna admit it)

keep aubreys name out of ur mouth

childish gambino had a joke about kanye concerts being like all white people

fact

HOLY S***. I can hear 2010-2011 Rhymefest-Ye and Jay rip that 0:50 section a new a******

Holyshit we are young was produced by Jeff Bhasker and Ken Lewis no wonder

That’s a wild timeline it ends up on WTT

its not kanyes fault is just how white people perceived it tbh

Gah damn I hated this band

Member since 2026

niggas realizing we are young is a ye song LMAOOOOO bro imagine hov on it it woulda worked so perfectly

But you lying if you not hearing hov on this s***

White folks love martial arts films and funk

I grew up on a farm in the bush but within a year of moving to the burbs when I was like 12 and discovering Wu and Outkast on mtv I was collecting Source magazine and rocking counterfeit FUBU and Lugz

I wasn't relating to the hardcore gangster rap but Wu Tangs coded ninja poetry and martial art movie samples was fascinating to me. Outkast pushing the boundaries of rap, stretching out into funk jams with strong social conscious was like heroin.

How in your opinion did this song contribute to the gentrification of hip-hop?

I legit did not know.

I'm hearing Hov on Ghetto Techno too unfortunately

when if we take hov pushing being the main one pushing black capitalism into rap out, to 08 to 13ish he pushed indie aesthetics just as much if not more so than ye did. bragging about buying picasso and basquiat paintings non-stop, going to grizzly bear and animal collective concerts, collaborating with hipster art installations. he was on that s*** so much that drake infamously clowned him for it