Wu Tang and Outkast did that first

curtis mayfield is a stomp clap artist according to your moronic logic

Eminem and Drake did far more than Kanye.

But Kanye definitely played a role too especially when MBDTF and Yeezus dropped.

Tyler(and Odd Future) in his early years brought a lot of edgelords and punks to hip hop too.

It was a number of rappers who did this.

I love this era of nas just saying it’s hilarious he saw south and Midwest rising and started crying about it in this fashion but at least we got those two albums of that scary period for him . But even if I take him at his word and he was scared of losing control over hip hop through corporatism how corny is it to make this album it was like waving a white flag while s***ting on everyone else. Mind you I do love this album but come on it’s hilarious

was this song released when stomp clap hey music was an actual thing?

They aint tryna hear that but its lowkey facts. Kanye is just one part of the gentrification.

Tbh its not even the artists fault. It was bound to happen.

TPAB at least has a fairly radical message for a mainstream rap album, and a strong commitment to soul and jazz music. Obviously you don't need the latter to be "real hip hop", but it was a good way for Kenny to ground the album in hip hop's roots while taking the genre in a new, expensive direction.

MBDTF in a vacuum is pretty similar, as it was very reverential to rock music and soul, and had a gritty sound engineering-wise. But Kanye's attitude outside of the album, plus the sonic pursuits of that album, began making people think rap that just sounded like traditional rap music was "obsolete" and "primitive".

We just needed some better engineering and inspired subject matter to shake up the 2000s gangsta rap oversaturation. Hip hop doesn't need to sound like rock music or electronic to be dope, bold, creative, and indeed "high" art.

i mean is it necessarily when there’s a lot of stuff on there you can side eye… i live rant at the end, respectability politics across the board especially on tbtb.

I’m not gonna argue against that. Reasonable Doubt greatest pure rap album imo. Supreme Clientele best rapping performance. GKMC amazing. Even within Kanye’s discog if they say LR was better I wouldn’t debate against it ton of great albums Deserving of it based on whatever criteria you prioritize

those hipsters bought into their sound there is nothing hipster-friendly about Wu Tang or any of the 90s Outkast albums (and in Outkast, the hipsters were mainly into Andre's a e s t h e t i c s. It plays a part into why lot of people s*** on Big Boi when talking about Outkast because of "andre was also just the more unique one that stood out aesthetically" nothing to do with the music.)

Would go as far back as Dre actually.

he invented it but no one was there to give him credit for it according to your logic. unsurprised considering you don’t know what stomp clap music is

respectability politics dont got nothing to do with hipsters (otherwise wu tang wouldnt have the diverse crowd they have)

also miseducation of lauryn hill been did that. Have you ever paid attention to the doo wop lyrics? lol.

Nope. Hov for sure is one of, if not the, foremost artists who turned rap into a commercial industry. But all of the classic Roc records still sound wedded to hip hop's foundation and are a clear heir to many traditional styles of black music, just with a cleaned up polish wrt engineering (limited vinyl crackles, less abrasive drum hits, etc).

i haven’t fleshed this thought out yet, but i think the 2016 Florida / soundcloud rap wave where they purposefully made all their music bass boosted & sounding low quality as f*** was a direct response to what that guy is describing

wat u mean a response

calling mbdtf stomp clap hey is crazy

yeah that take i dont agree wit lol.

pendulum swinging the other way

polished music was seen as vanilla & appealing to suburbans, rough sounding music was seen as tough

I see your point but I honestly don't even think MBDTF is a top 4 influential Kanye album.

College Dropout, Graduation, 808's, and Yeezus have been more influential.

It'd be one thing if there was a rise in mainstream rap albums sounding like MBDTF but there really hasn't been.

That super grandiose sound is kind of in its own lane.

I feel like it was more cause the music stretched out beyond just looping a beat which appeals to kids raised on rock and roll. You add guitar solos and crafty bridges to your beat and you're gonna get white fans.

Deltron went off in the burbs too.

ktt2.com/in-retrospect-lost-in-the-world-was-stomp-clap-hey-music-32594096

Dude what the hell are you talking about. 36 Chambers is as hip hop as hip hop can get. OutKast's first 3 albums sound like southern rap perfected, and Stankonia was still touching on a lot of foundational elements of hip hop and other genres of black music, just outside of the traditional jazz/soul wheelhouse, most notably drum & bass and funk.

Speakerboxxx sure that was pure crossover material but it was fun and a sendoff album and didn't market itself as being "too good" for hip hop. 3k just wanted to make R&B music, which is a predecessor to hip hop itself, and they were pop culture titans at the time that were almost inevitably going to sell crateloads of records in 2003.

Kendrick and Drake as we know them definitely don’t exist without MBDTF

How does op explain native tongus