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  • Oct 9, 2022
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    spongebob

    the american left as “one” group is something i do not believe exists

    Socialists communists anarchists

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    SEGA GOON

    Socialists communists anarchists

    it’s just depressing that’s all

  • Oct 9, 2022
    spongebob

    it’s just depressing that’s all

    I can recall two big implosions here

    The Maoist bodybuilders got into trouble for beating up anti german zionists and then had to disband

    The Berlin expriopriation referendum was successful but then the org got overrun by whitoids and radlibs and instantly sank into irrelevance

    None of em had to do with s**

  • Oct 9, 2022
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    I take no joy in being vindicated re: my story that Kanye thinks 'the jews' are out to get him

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    u got a lot of deadass fascists/nationalists/social conservatives trying to co-opt socialism

    so many opportunists

    i still think there are gains being made and there are parties and orgs with good messaging for the most part

    anytime folks can help somebody else that’s the real s*** to me

    that + being consistent on messaging is key

    there’s just so many instances of radical energy being sucked back in to the Dem atmosphere

  • Oct 9, 2022

    This is what happened once the more academic left went inside the org that did the Berlin landlord referendum (machine translation):

    For me, the Deutsche Wohnen & Co. expropriate initiative stood out because it addressed a wide variety of people and, in my opinion, was able to involve a wide variety of people. I joined the campaign because I finally wanted to do something relevant. I wanted to be part of a radical politics that doesn't muddle around in insignificance on the fringes of society, but stands in the middle of a necessary social struggle.

    What attracted me was the colorful bunch of committed people who got together to finally become politically active again and achieve great things. Some were politically active for the first time, others have been repoliticized by the initiative after many years of inactivity. But what made DWE so attractive was the fact that there was room for a wide variety of people and a wide variety of currents came together. Compromising, as befits such a large alliance - united to kick the shins of a seemingly overwhelming adversary - and more than that.

    However, this mood has faded more and more in recent months and the character of the campaign has changed, in my opinion, more and more. Instead of a colorful urban society, the meetings were increasingly dominated by a very specific type of activist who all seemed to come from the same milieu. The language more and more resembled the typical left-radical-liberal jargon of the scene. DWE became more and more academic and the positions more dogmatic. There was a lot of talk about left-wing populism, about organizing and diversity, but the willingness to endure real diversity and thus also contradictions - this willingness was becoming less and less. I was there live when an organizing person said that she was not at all interested in a long-term commitment in a certain district because she couldn't do much with the local people, because their habitus was completely different. How nicely can you express that you really don't want to have anything to do with the asocials?

    At the same time, discussions were held at our meetings which, despite all the justified criticism of individual positions and all the differences of opinion, were simply lacking in solidarity, hurtful and exclusionary. People who were recently welcomed with open arms because they didn't come from the typical activist environment suddenly felt that their views, thoughts and experiences were no longer wanted. It was expressly said that one could no longer imagine sitting in the plenum with certain people and sometimes some people no longer dared to open their mouths at all.

    Personally, I had the feeling that I had to pretend more and more and that I could no longer be who I am. I found that really depressing. Sometimes I felt surrounded by people just waiting for you to make a mistake. Moral apostles and right-holders who are not so much concerned with exchange as with judging and punishing. I had and have the uncomfortable feeling that these circles within the campaign are not so much concerned with the fact that we can develop together and learn together, but ...

  • Oct 9, 2022
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    spongebob

    u got a lot of deadass fascists/nationalists/social conservatives trying to co-opt socialism

    so many opportunists

    i still think there are gains being made and there are parties and orgs with good messaging for the most part

    anytime folks can help somebody else that’s the real s*** to me

    that + being consistent on messaging is key

    there’s just so many instances of radical energy being sucked back in to the Dem atmosphere

    Read the above post

  • Oct 9, 2022
    kool2

    I take no joy in being vindicated re: my story that Kanye thinks 'the jews' are out to get him

    Next on the bingo card is InfoWars interview

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    SEGA GOON

    Read the above post

    i did

  • Oct 9, 2022

    ... these circles within the campaign are not so much concerned with the fact that we can develop together and learn together, but rather with slipping through life as purely and correctly as possible to do everything right. No errors... Well I guess it won't work. As long as one lives one will make mistakes . Again and again . You will misbehave, you will hurt others, you will get things wrong. The trick is to learn from mistakes and, if possible, to forgive them. However, I don't see this willingness in this milieu, which is why one sits at these meetings and feels as if one were surrounded by enemies, although one is actually sitting together with comrade. (Apart from being damn humorless and unfunny too.) Don't get me wrong. I don't want to dwell on the positions and practices of your clientele, neither on your waving of approval, nor on your pronouns, nor on your artificial language. I have no interest in arguing with people with whom I actually want to show solidarity.

    However , in the past few weeks I have very often had the feeling that a wave of contempt is being thrown at me and others . If contempt is the opposite of solidarity, then your behavior was quite simply lacking in solidarity. For this reason I feel comfortable with you just commenting .

    . If it doesn't fit, then it just doesn't fit and you don't necessarily have to be in a group together. It's enough if we meet every now and then and can work together to some extent. We will not disappear from the political life of this city and in this respect we will run into each other again and again. I hope we can still look into each other 's eyes . In this sense, I remain seriously with the most solidary greetings.

    May we overthrow the government at the next referendum. Venceremos!

  • Oct 9, 2022

    goodnight best bud @cloudgoonrap

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    i did

    I found her ugly before she rejected me, and her being ugly and calling me ugly was funny, especially when someone else called me handsome that day and asked for a date. Really not that deep. Y'all love to wokescold so much

  • Oct 9, 2022
    SEGA GOON

    I found her ugly before she rejected me, and her being ugly and calling me ugly was funny, especially when someone else called me handsome that day and asked for a date. Really not that deep. Y'all love to wokescold so much

    nah u know what i’m deleting these last two posts of mine because i don’t like the way I brought it back up hold on

  • Oct 9, 2022
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    If y'all want the thread split before 1000 we can do it, there will be a rowdy qutbist corner and then a corner where we all kumbaya in an orderly fashion

  • Oct 9, 2022

    my rhetoric was ass and not that relevant

    DELETE

  • Oct 9, 2022
    SEGA GOON

    If y'all want the thread split before 1000 we can do it, there will be a rowdy qutbist corner and then a corner where we all kumbaya in an orderly fashion

    no.

    us DSA (Dengist) Wokescolders and Qutbist loser Neocons will make it to 1000 together

    A Lib-cel alliance

  • Oct 9, 2022

    Truly the best socialism had to offer look at us

  • Oct 9, 2022
    SEGA GOON

    Bro these things happen in the DSA

    I dont think it is productive or else you would have had ironclad orgs for years now, this wave is like 15 years old at this point

    I really don't think a lot of it works and i think it is just the same expression of american puritanism that they have elsewhere in society but somehow repurposed now to be leftist

    thats who im talking about

  • Nessy 🦎
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    SEGA GOON

    • Value has a relational, a processual and a dynamic nature, which leads to it constantly expanding, “endowed with a motion of its own”. When the social algorithm of value infects its own substance – abstract labor – it proceeds to establish the capitalist social relation of wage labor, the purchase and sale of labor power, and now becomes capital, self-valorizing value. “Value therefore now becomes value in process, money in process, and as such, capital”.

    • Value exists as capital – the social algorithm of value goes beyond mere social production and reproduction, and now invades with its abstract code both human and non-human nature. This expansion does not have a teleological character, but remains a spontaneous, socially objective process without a planning subject. The search for profit is the conscious aim of capitalists, the same way that organisms instinctively pursue the goal of survival.

    • Value is what transforms mere objects of use for humans into commodities standing in social relation between them. Value is not a static concept, but rather a process, a social algorithm.

    • Algorithms were not defined in the times of Marx. However, Marx, in his Mathematical Manuscripts, actually foreshadowed the notion of algorithms when he tried to interpret differential calculus. The mathematical procedure developed by Marx shows how it is possible to obtain from a purely abstract and symbolic process, such as the algorithm of derivation, a real and factual result, such as the function derivative, which is actually operating in nature and whose discovery has allowed important practical applications in a wide range of techniques. The concept of value, elaborated by Marx in the economic works of his maturity, presents strong logical a***ogies with the symbolic operator of derivation in their common structure of algorithm – a purely abstract procedure that produces factual results.

    • Value is as a social algorithm operating in market exchange, acting as a symbolic operator of social equivalence between commodities. As operator, value consists of a procedure, an ordered and finite set of steps necessary to achieve a given result. As symbolic operator, value is an abstract procedure that applies in commodity market exchange to content or substance logically distinct from itself. As operator of equivalence, value determines a quantitative relation, requiring that the substance to which it applies is commensurable and qualitatively identical between commodities, differing among them only quantitatively. As social operator, value has a purely social substance, in the sense that it is independent of any physical, natural, and material features of the commodities. As Marx points out, the only possible common feature that meets the criteria of quantitative social equivalence is that the commodities are all the product of human labor. Labor is therefore the substance to which the social algorithm of value applies.

    • Abstract labor is the substance of value, and has a dual nature.

    • Exchange value is the form of value, and has a dual nature.

    • Value is therefore measured dually: In money and in labor-time.

    • In term, it must be possible to express labor-time in money, which would of course also mean that money can be expressed in labor-time.

    • Unequal exchange is a situation in which value in production (labor time) is different from value in circulation (money).

    When was the last time you killed an oil baron man

  • Oct 9, 2022
    p apollo

    A few more good longform posts and we can publish Assorted works of KTT2 Socialism Thread Vol. I

    I submit my Kendrick effort post

  • Oct 9, 2022
    Nessy

    When was the last time you killed an oil baron man

    Alibi armchairism throws them off the trail stay woke

  • Oct 9, 2022
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    SEGA GOON

    No it isnt, I remember you guys crying over the word retärd too, you fellas really love the whole slur discourse

    I mean it's really easy to just not use the word tho?

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    Synopsis

    I mean it's really easy to just not use the word tho?

    The next step would be to never use the words stupid, dumb, crazy, idiot, mute, lunatic and so on again. It gets to a point where it is just performative. And this is coming from someone who volunteered at a sheltered workshop for a summer.

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