deadacc

4y

yea but i mean like
promoting a strict moral policy prevents the capture of organizers/ activists

its every org thats ambivalent on this stuff that always has feds/pests

SEGA GOON

4y

• Value can mean the “use value”. It is how useful the good is a to a human being. This is rather subjective and difficult, if not impossible to quantify.

• Value can mean the “exchange value”. It is the rate at which the good can be exchanged for another good.

• A commodity is a good that is, or in the future will be, exchanged. It has both a use value (otherwise nobody will want to exchange for it, since it would be useless), and an exchange value.

• There are goods that have no exchange value: For example, if a mother bakes a cake for her children from dough, the cake itself is not baked for the purpose of exchanging it for another commodity. The cake is purely made for consumption within the family. Therefore, the cake has no exchange value, but it does have a use value. The cake is not a commodity in this case.

• All commodities are goods, but not all goods are commodities, since not all goods are made for the intent of exchange. In a hunter-gatherer society where no trade exists, no commodities would exist – everything is made for personal consumption. However, in capitalism, most things are made not for immediate personal consumption, but for trade. Under capitalism, most goods indeed are commodities, since most goods are produced for the intent of exchanging it on a market. Capitalism is the mode of production where commodity production has reached its thus-far historical peak.

• While the distinction between “use value” and “exchange value” is important to understand which goods are commodities and which goods are not, this distinction should not be overemphasized: When we speak of capitalism, we must speak of commodities first and foremost, since these are the most common forms of goods. When we speak of value in capitalism, we are therefore speaking of the value of commodities. But: It would be wrong to split up the “value” of a commodity into exchange-value and use-value. The value of commodities is always both. If it has no use-value, it cannot be a commodity. If it has no exchange-value, it cannot be a commodity. The value of commodities is a unitary concept, not a dualistic one. The value of commodities is always both use-value and exchange-value combined.

• “Value” under capitalism expresses the relation between the commodity as a “thing” on the one hand and between human beings on the other. If all humans died from one day to the other, how could a Ferrari have any value? If all humans disappeared from one day to the next, all former commodities of the world would now just be mere objects, without any value whatsoever. For commodities to have any value, humans must exist. For value to have any meaning, goods and commodities must exist. Value is part of both the exterior world of objects and in the interior world of minds, both in the world of objects and in the world of humans, always these two sides at once: Value is a unitary concept.

• Value is what expresses the connection between humans and objects – the exchange-value being the social connection, the use value being the private connection we humans have towards these things, or, in the case of capitalism, towards these commodities.

• The exchange-value determines how the commodity-as-an-object forms a social relationship amongst individuals; the use-value determines the relationship between the subjectivity of the inside world of human desires and the physicality of the outside world of objects.

• Value is neither based purely on the extrinsic nature of a commodity (such as: the amount of other commodities you can exchange your commodity for), nor is it based purely on the intrinsic nature of a commodity (such as: how much energy or time it took to produce this commodity). Value has both an extrinsic and an intrinsic moment. The value of commodities is of course a social relation (since a commodity must by definition exist for the intent of trade), but it also has a natural component to it (the energy, the time needed on average and so on).

• Value is how society considers the material commodity. However, society and commodity are always bound by the laws of nature, such as the laws of energy, physics, chemistry, geology or the laws of time, aging and mortality. Therefore, just as much as society shapes its relation to the commodity, the commodity’s outside circumstances shape their relation to society as well.

• Therefore, in capitalism, a material product of concrete human labor acquires social character through value. Value is then the objective social process that gives the material product of concrete human labor the dimension of sociality, transforming it from a mere object to a commodity.

• Value can therefore be described as a social algorithm.

SEGA GOON

4y

Im ready to crash and burn my reputation here over b\*\*\*\* and retärd :letsfuckinggo: Split the thread :letsfuckinggo: Splinter movement after page 1000 :letsfuckinggo: Only fellas who use the r-word allowed in the new thread :letsfuckinggo:

Nah Im joking Dont mind me Just having some laffs

SEGA GOON

4y

Well I aint a s***pest nor a misogynist so...

spongebob

4y

Hope ur doing alright man

Feel like things are getting worse and every day I'm realizing I have to climb out of this s*** and develop more strength but i haven't activated the willpower

spongebob

4y

Not a S***pest? Sure I'll give you that one

Not a misogynist? Your language when speaking about women doesn't bode well for that defense

But, once again thats all u.

I already feel like I made my opinions known dozens of pages ago

SEGA GOON

4y

Also I highly doubt more moralistic scolding would have saved a lot of these orgs, especially considering how routinely a lot of these people do the most egregious stuff (the male feminist committing sexual crimes trope comes to mind)

It's easy enough to split people apart via mere issues and talking points and insisting on endless bureaucratic minutiae, the police doesn't even need to get to blackmail a lot of times, that's more morons being morons without any fed pressure

SEGA GOON

4y

I dont think Im one and women in my life seem to agree

spongebob

4y

That's good.

All we on this site can judge from is the words u use,

Thats all we know of u unless other info was stated, if that makes sense

I can relate to blowing off hella steam on here though I be posting the dumbest s*** and even just braindead rambling even when i should've left the site hours before

SEGA GOON

4y

By now people should realize I use stark language humoristically, and that I won't change that

spongebob

4y

But its like those words are coming from somewhere, the question is where and why

spongebob

4y

S*** wasn't hitting apparently lmao

They had u like

SEGA GOON

4y

It's funny bc it's abnormal
If it were normal it wouldn't be funny
I'm really not that careful with words as you guys are, especially online

Goblin b**** alone is so over the top that it makes me laff

SEGA GOON

4y

It had me laffin and thats what counts for me

ASAKI

4y

I just found out what happened to Frankito this past week

spongebob

4y

Socialism not just a boys club tho even though this site feels like it in most of its places

SEGA GOON

4y

Also I highly doubt more moralistic scolding would have saved a lot of these orgs, especially considering how routinely a lot of these people do the most egregious stuff (the male feminist committing sexual crimes trope comes to mind)

It's easy enough to split people apart via mere issues and talking points and insisting on endless bureaucratic minutiae, the police doesn't even need to get to blackmail a lot of times, that's more morons being morons without any fed pressure

deadacc

4y

yea that stuff is exactly why the policy is strict

its not scolding, its being kicked out and exempted from organizing with the org.

ASAKI

4y

I just found out what happened to Frankito this past week

SEGA GOON

4y

And yet despite the american left being so hard on morals these things keep happening, why? Do they not scold enough? Is the group too undisciplined? I dont noticr such issues in Germany

deadacc

4y

it has nothing to do with scolding its just what is acceptable conduct as an organizer.

and like you said all the orgs that let these things happen are becuz they dont maintain discipline in treating these things seriously.

SEGA GOON

4y

And yet despite the american left being so hard on morals these things keep happening, why? Do they not scold enough? Is the group too undisciplined? I dont noticr such issues in Germany