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  • Oct 9, 2022
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    SEGA GOON

    The next step would be to never use the words stupid, dumb, crazy, idiot, mute, lunatic and so on again. It gets to a point where it is just performative. And this is coming from someone who volunteered at a sheltered workshop for a summer.

    Thats a slippery slope fallacy. None of those words carry the same connotation.

    Calling someone a f***ing idiot is just as effective without the implication of mental handicap.

    Not using the word = no harm
    Using the word = potential harm to disabled ppl

    Like yeah this discourse can seem performative but here we are anyways.

    Policing speech in a person's private life is mostly unimportant but sometimes other ppl (not saying you, just a comment on the discourse) need to be explained why certain words are p much a no go

  • Oct 9, 2022
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    krishna bound
    https://twitter.com/notbenfish/status/1578892903392288768

    Accreate

  • Oct 9, 2022
    krishna bound
    https://twitter.com/notbenfish/status/1578892903392288768

    they acting like two legend can't coexist

  • Oct 9, 2022
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    SEGA GOON

    Accreate

    They’re still in 2016, once they catch up from 2016 rw Twitter culture to 2022 rw Twitter culture it’s over

  • Oct 9, 2022
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    Thats a slippery slope fallacy. None of those words carry the same connotation.

    Calling someone a f***ing idiot is just as effective without the implication of mental handicap.

    Not using the word = no harm
    Using the word = potential harm to disabled ppl

    Like yeah this discourse can seem performative but here we are anyways.

    Policing speech in a person's private life is mostly unimportant but sometimes other ppl (not saying you, just a comment on the discourse) need to be explained why certain words are p much a no go

    F***ing idiot is ableist too tbh, and I have seen people write this on more than one occassion. Just one article about it: verywellmind.com/types-of-ableist-language-and-what-to-say-instead-5201561

    The only way to sidestep it is with calling people ignorant, dense and other terms that aren't really what you are going for.

    Instead of saying:
    Stupid, retärded, etc.

    Dumb
    
    Crazy, nuts, psycho, etc.
    
    I'm so OCD.
    
    I'm obsessed with X.
    
    I'm ADD about X.
    
    Lame
    
    Blind leading the blind
    
    Falling on deaf ears
    
    Barren
    
    Crippled
    
    Derp

    Say This

    Ignorant, dense
    
    Ignorant, dense
    
    Bizarre, outrageous
    
    I'm particular.
    
    I'm enamored with X.
    
    I'm unfocused.
    
    Boring, unexciting
    
    Unknowledgeable
    
    You didn't hear me.
    
    Desolate, unfruitful
    
    Disabled
    
    Ignorant, dense

    The idea that retärd is so much worse than calling someone a dumb motherfucker is completely arbirtrary, just like the word c*** is regarded as one of the worst slurs in US and a pretty common term in the UK.

    Furthermore, how are disabled people harmed by the mere use? They face harm when you say it to them, then it becomes an insult, or when talking about them, then it is dehumanizing. When you are clearly talking to someone else, or using it during an argument to berate someone else, do you think that will seriously offend them? That's a bit patronizing because many of them will understand simple context cues too.

    I've worked with mentally disabled and physically disabled people, also with blind people, and this type of language discourse that is so damn popular on the American left is really the lowest of their concerns. Furthermore, it leads to people actually thinking they are doing something when in reality they are just wasting their time.

    And last, someones using slippery slope argumentation doesn't automatically render said argument illogical. Slippery slopes do exist - your entire argument is based on the premise that the use of slurs will be a slippery slope towards actual real life harm to disabled people.

  • Oct 9, 2022
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    krishna bound

    They’re still in 2016, once they catch up from 2016 rw Twitter culture to 2022 rw Twitter culture it’s over

    Europeans both on the left and right really just follow American discourse but about 5 years later. Whatever Tumblr struggle session you guys had in 2011, Germans were talking about in 2016. Now a big focus here is on pronouns, including the ideas of coining new pronouns (something that really never took off in the USA), while the other side is crying about "wokism".

    TLDR: America is the scourge of Europe

  • Oct 9, 2022
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    SEGA GOON

    Europeans both on the left and right really just follow American discourse but about 5 years later. Whatever Tumblr struggle session you guys had in 2011, Germans were talking about in 2016. Now a big focus here is on pronouns, including the ideas of coining new pronouns (something that really never took off in the USA), while the other side is crying about "wokism".

    TLDR: America is the scourge of Europe

    It's crayz being in tune w american politricks living in europe bc u can see the brainrot slowly infecting eurocacs but they act like it's all new ideas nobody ever thought abt

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    he’s just like me

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    Scratchin Mamba

    It's crayz being in tune w american politricks living in europe bc u can see the brainrot slowly infecting eurocacs but they act like it's all new ideas nobody ever thought abt

    Exaclee

    All the idiotic culture wars that the American right and left are obsessed with get imported here, as well as absolutely ret+rded theories like QAnon that don't even really make sense in Europe (their version was Putin + Trump vs Merkel + Xi)

    Andrew Tate-esque gender wars is the next step, also spreading in China right now. That's a culture war that the USA actually isn't the leader in, but rather it's South Korea. South Korea is probably the only country right now with both violent misogynists and misandrists forming single-issue political organizations and actual real-life politicians who cater to both groups rather than just schizos on Twitter. This in turn actually distracts from the very real patriarchal structures in S. Korea and instead turns it into a childish slingfest of ad hominems. S. Korea is very patriarchal and women's rights there are a joke.

    Recently, I talked to a Chinese girl who complained that gender relations online are breaking down in China and that Westernized discourse on feminism has been harmful in her opinion. It has gotten to the point where a lot of women there refuse to call themselves feminist, because it gets conflated with liberalism, which is a sad thing tbh because Marxist feminism is a thing. The political situation there is better though than in the ROK because the communist legacy empowering women somewhat more.

  • Oct 9, 2022
    p apollo

    Got any links for this? Sounds interesting

    From 37:45 onwards

  • Oct 9, 2022
    Womanpuncher69

    he’s just like me

    https://twitter.com/nudistfrog/status/1578952193298010112

    Lioned man

  • Oct 9, 2022

    The American ideology is so f***ing deep people here in Europe don't even realize it. Like so much of our daily lives is formed by America, so much of our economic lives, so much of our culture, so much of our language, our entertainment, our political discourse. It's so deeply engrained that people don't even recognize it, the same way people without class consciousness can't even recognize the dynamics of capitalism. It's probably not this bad in other parts of the world though. However the Ukraine War has absolutely strengthened the transatlanticist wing of the bourgeoisie here and the continentalist wing has been completely irrelevant as of now, so it might get even worse from hereon out.

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    Womanpuncher69

    he’s just like me

    https://twitter.com/nudistfrog/status/1578952193298010112

    i was with him until he said anti-burgers, anti-fried chicken, and anti-american coffee. sorry that's where i draw the line

  • Oct 9, 2022
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    krishna bound

    i was with him until he said anti-burgers, anti-fried chicken, and anti-american coffee. sorry that's where i draw the line

    drawing the line at food is the most american thing u can do lol

  • Womanpuncher69

    drawing the line at food is the most american thing u can do lol

    you could say i participate in anti-american imperialism activities regularly (i have a healthy BMI)

  • Oct 9, 2022
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    krishna bound

    i was with him until he said anti-burgers, anti-fried chicken, and anti-american coffee. sorry that's where i draw the line

    Fried chicken exists in other variations than Amerikkkan
    Coffee too
    Burgers might be iffy but I could survive on döner kebabs

  • Oct 9, 2022
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    SEGA GOON

    Fried chicken exists in other variations than Amerikkkan
    Coffee too
    Burgers might be iffy but I could survive on döner kebabs

    american coffee probably the lowest on the chain there, it's good but it's good in a familiar way not really a "actually good" way. on the other hand american soul/southern food must survive any attempt at dissolving america though thats non-negotiable

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    krishna bound

    american coffee probably the lowest on the chain there, it's good but it's good in a familiar way not really a "actually good" way. on the other hand american soul/southern food must survive any attempt at dissolving america though thats non-negotiable

    Don't worry, once the balkanization is in place it will all work out

  • Oct 9, 2022
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    SEGA GOON

    Don't worry, once the balkanization is in place it will all work out

    have any authors wrote about food as a precursor sign of cultral imperialism from the west (in modern history, mainly the US) since food tends to be one of the foundations of cultural distinction? once a country starts eating hamburgers its over

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    krishna bound

    have any authors wrote about food as a precursor sign of cultral imperialism from the west (in modern history, mainly the US) since food tends to be one of the foundations of cultural distinction? once a country starts eating hamburgers its over

    Surely things have been written about McDonalds. Do you remember the fat slob son of a piano player in Russia who chained himself to the last open McDonalds as a way to protest the sanctions on Russia and did a big speech about how McDonalds means freedom?

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    SEGA GOON

    Surely things have been written about McDonalds. Do you remember the fat slob son of a piano player in Russia who chained himself to the last open McDonalds as a way to protest the sanctions on Russia and did a big speech about how McDonalds means freedom?

    yeah i remember that. stuff about mcdonalds is more literal since obv its attached to enterprise, i was thinking more of how erosion of food culture is a major step towards general erasure of local identity or a sign of victory for general imperialism from abroad. not just in a vacuum but because food culture is generally attached to other societal norms like how/when food is consumed, etc. - for example, idk, there's probably something to be said about cultures who prize these giant family meals shifting to eating burgers in semi-isolation. this tends to happen esp. during more latent western-led "urbanization/modernization" of countries.

  • Oct 9, 2022
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    krishna bound

    yeah i remember that. stuff about mcdonalds is more literal since obv its attached to enterprise, i was thinking more of how erosion of food culture is a major step towards general erasure of local identity or a sign of victory for general imperialism from abroad. not just in a vacuum but because food culture is generally attached to other societal norms like how/when food is consumed, etc. - for example, idk, there's probably something to be said about cultures who prize these giant family meals shifting to eating burgers in semi-isolation. this tends to happen esp. during more latent western-led "urbanization/modernization" of countries.

    I have read an essay about restaurants and alienation before but I don't remember by whom.

    Also, you can't look at the food imperialism without looking at the enterprises pushing it, otherwise you would be under the spell of COMMODITY FETISHISM Since they are the ones who conduct this take-over and gradual erasure in the first place.

    Base and superstructure of the Triple Whopper Deluxe with Extra Cheese

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    SEGA GOON

    I have read an essay about restaurants and alienation before but I don't remember by whom.

    Also, you can't look at the food imperialism without looking at the enterprises pushing it, otherwise you would be under the spell of COMMODITY FETISHISM Since they are the ones who conduct this take-over and gradual erasure in the first place.

    Base and superstructure of the Triple Whopper Deluxe with Extra Cheese

    Well I don't mean it minus enterprises ofc, I just meant it more generally instead of focusing only on mcdonalds as I think that's a separate conversation in and of itself. Obviously mcdonalds is an extension of this convo but I didn't want to focus on McD's specifically as opposed to more holistic cultural erosion.

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    krishna bound

    Well I don't mean it minus enterprises ofc, I just meant it more generally instead of focusing only on mcdonalds as I think that's a separate conversation in and of itself. Obviously mcdonalds is an extension of this convo but I didn't want to focus on McD's specifically as opposed to more holistic cultural erosion.

    Well because of the monopolization of industries there really only are a few examples, McDonalds, Burger King, Starbucks, KFC being the main ones.

    Another point would be corporations trying to introduce more processed food into the diets of people who otherwise would never eat American garbage, Johnson & Johnson, Nestle and the likes.

    Latter point could lead into Nestle actively spreading propaganda about lactation and pushing mothers into formula milk who could have easily breastfed their babies instead. They literally hand out coupons in maternal wards. It's been proven that breastfeeding is better for the kid's development, and after a certain period, the infant will no longer latch on to the nipples if it hasn't learned it and will suckle on a bottle instead. :

  • Oct 9, 2022
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    SEGA GOON

    Well because of the monopolization of industries there really only are a few examples, McDonalds, Burger King, Starbucks, KFC being the main ones.

    Another point would be corporations trying to introduce more processed food into the diets of people who otherwise would never eat American garbage, Johnson & Johnson, Nestle and the likes.

    Latter point could lead into Nestle actively spreading propaganda about lactation and pushing mothers into formula milk who could have easily breastfed their babies instead. They literally hand out coupons in maternal wards. It's been proven that breastfeeding is better for the kid's development, and after a certain period, the infant will no longer latch on to the nipples if it hasn't learned it and will suckle on a bottle instead. :

    yeah that's definitely all true, and then obviously you see the dialectics in motion of how the hyper-commercialized/processed society in turn begins to introduce more significant alienation which begins to mirror america