Scratchin Mamba

4y

• Jay-Z

Sir Real

4y

I get it and I genuinely feel bad for him

But I think a much more honest discussion needs to be had about him that left is for a lot of reasons is unwilling to have

People not drawing the correct lessons from Chile has literally set the left back by decades

Womanpuncher69

4y

always viewed Allende in the similar way and most revisionist actually, just a very depressing story

Also the Zhang Chunqiao article he definitely my fav of the gang of four

kiddash3r

4y

You might need to cop this
https://www.bookdepository.com/One-Straw-Revolution-Masanobu-Fukuoka/9781590173138?ref=grid-view&qid=1662893034151&sr=1-1

deadacc

4y

ik i should b hating demsocs but i can only usually feel sympathy when their projects predictably fail

hearts too big for their brains
s*** id prob give it a try too if i was in allende's conditions

Scratchin Mamba

4y

I don't view him like revisoonists like Deng, Deng had everything but just dismantled it. Allende was just naive, revisionists like Deng for example weren't naive but rather cynical.

But yeah the main lesson should be that playing by the rules of liberal democracy will still get you clapped so why bother.

Scratchin Mamba

4y

I don't view him like revisoonists like Deng, Deng had everything but just dismantled it. Allende was just naive, revisionists like Deng for example weren't naive but rather cynical.

But yeah the main lesson should be that playing by the rules of liberal democracy will still get you clapped so why bother.

deadacc

4y

elaborate ?

Sir Real

4y

Mythologizing Allende the way the contemporary left does maintains that liberal democracy like scratchin points out is a viable way to obtain socialism

People see Chile as one of the “good” examples of socialism that we should point to, that was only crushed due to external factors outside of their control

When in reality it is always internal contradictions that are the deciding factor. Allendes decisions and his refusal to militantly defend socialism by any means necessary led to his downfall

The myth of the former logic keeps people like DSA holding onto the fantasy that if we just play by the rules effectively enough we will win. This attitude represents a large portion of the western left. Obviously there are a lot of factors that play into this, namely the labor aristocratic and petite bourgeois nature of most of the western left but they all work to form a potent cocktail of revisionism, conciliation, and class collaboration that prevents us from building the type of movement that needs to be built

Cudderwalks

4y

We still long live Chairman Gonzalo one year after his death

deadacc

4y

how come i never seen this before wtf

SEGA GOON

4y

I do think Allende's government might have survived had they armed the populace, but then it would be a very different type of system to begin with. I feel Hugo Chavez in Venezuela is an example of how to do reformism in a better way. Chavez was not a socialist though of course

A more hardline version of Chavez and Venezuela would be the richest country in Latin America with less wealth inequality

Instead they bowed down to capitalist pressures too much

Sir Real

4y

Wasn’t tagging you about your thoughts on Chile numb nuts but I do appreciate the thoughts and have a lot to say about the Chavez situation as well but too high to do all that now

Was mentioning u cuz I ordered Towards a New Socialism

Sir Real

4y

Just ordered a copy of that Cockshott (pause) book @cloud_rap

And also ordered a hard copy of On the Reproduction of Capitalism by Althusser