blog.oup.com/2015/08/murray-bookchin-climate-change

even though I disagree with Bookchin on some stuff, I think he was a visionary when it came to the ecological side of things.

So the big split with Maoists is RIM vs Gonzalo thought

Principled Maoists follow Gonzalo thought which says the teachings and theory of Gonzalo is universal.

And RIM Maoists respect Gonzalo but don’t feel like everything he came up with was universal. RIM also tend to favor theory put fourth by the CPP/NPA over the Shining Path.

They also disagree on organizing styles. RIM Maoists tend to view Principled Maoists as being too militant. Whereas principled Maoists criticize RIM for focusing too much on mutual aid.

However, outside of the Philippines probably 80% of Maoists follow Gonzalo thought so it’s the dominate trend.

We agree on just about everything the only beef comes from the beef between For the People and the rest of the Maoist orgs in the US.

mutual aid was one of the big attraction for organising for me but god damn is it a waste of time and terrible way to actually get anyone interested.

Yeah sure giving people food is great but often time they just take the food and you never get a follow up, and its just condescending as hell, handing someone a hot dog with a pamphlet inside thinking thats the only way you can get someone to listen to communist rhetoric, and the burn out since most orgs are still small you usually have a small group of people to sometimes even one person doing all the work setting it up for basically not benefit at all. It just ends up being red charity, which yes it's still a good thing to do but if your plan is to grow your org and get people interested into revolutionary politics its an awful way to go with.

ive been meaning to read his work forever, gonna start once i’ve gotten through all the other essential texts

heard a few of his ideas through anarchists and it always sounded like he knew his s*** when it came to ecology

Okay. So as a worker 40+ hours a week what should be my solution?

She kinda makes sense-- in the wrong way. Some theory thumpers don't realize that if you want to guide working-class people and the average American towards class consciousness, the worst way to do it is to throw a bunch of political terminology, recommend a bunch of theory they won't read, etc.

But "defund the police" is straight-forward and understandable. The problem is that people don't realize why the police should be eventually abolished. They can't come to terms with such an oppressive entity not existing in a manner that they're familiar with-- because it gives them a false sense of security.

The problem isn't the slogan, the problem is that "progressives" keep flip-flopping on police brutality and don't have the balls to stand for a policy that is the only way forward.

what has to be done has always been a question that haunts the western left. Unfortunately it has to be education so you can actually know what socialism is. You can try to organizing right away most orgs also do education sessions and you don’t really need to be that deep to join most of the time but that might become overwhelming since your just starting to learn.

if you think you know what it’s about from reading the socialism vs capitalism argument that’s been done every 3rd day on this site they don’t provide any in-depth understanding except on a few occasions.
They always go like :

Capitalist fanboy : Communism no food

Socialist fanboy : CIA document showing USSR citizen consumed more calories

then the capitalist goes to reddit to find ways to “debunk” this and then the socialist does too, at end of the day it’s just two people using shallow rhetoric cause they have no actually power to change anything so they argue here.

Id recommend starting with Marx and Engels, communist manifesto and/or Principles of Communism, id say the latter is much better if you want to get a basic understanding, ABC of Communism by Bukharnian is great as well goes more in-depth but it’s a lot longer than the other two it’s like 400 pages and the later bits of the book isn’t as helpful.

However due to ur name i think reading from black marxist initially might be the hook to get u interested in the more boring parts of reading, you know get the snowball rolling.

Huey P Newton i haven’t read him but i’ve been hearing about his theory of intercommunlism getting talked a bit more.
marxists.org/archive/newton/index.htm

Kwame Ture i’ve watched some of his lectures but never read him i know @JayXCIX is a fan of him he can give some recs.

Frantz Fanon someone i’ve actually read his main subject is anti colonialism and national liberations, his main works being wretched of the earth and “black skins and white masks”. His work gives great insight on why the national bourgeoisie ends up holing back these national liberation movements in wretched of the earth.

libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=494D9461097F3C560959195AD0882E4A

libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=B27B47B5E34D6515E326FB0113FD1295

Black Marxism by Cedric Robinson heard it’s a great book i haven’t read it.

libcom.org/files/Black%20Marxism-Cedric%20J.%20Robinson.pdf

Also i do encourage you to start organizing when and if you ever feel comfortable to do so, just try to find the right local org u don’t want to join an over glorified book club that eventually starts talking about the socialist characteristics of a turnip.

What is this argument even? So we are supposed to let lies about muh food shortages lay uncommented? What is even your point with that snarky comment? The rest of the post is fine but why even say that. A big way to ease people's minds into socialism is by countering common lies.

You Maoists split just as much as Trotskyists lmao

Eh, like I said 80-90% of Maoists are under the same roof.

You just got the weirdo third worldists and RIM that make up the other 10-20%.

Every maoist org in the US is working together outside of one so there really isn't a split

He’s right to the extent that arguing online does nothing without the material efforts to back it up. Better to prove to Americans that socialists can better handle food shortages than pointing to past history

yeah i thought about that part after and what should we do then let them spread lies unwillingly. i guess i’m just tired of seeing the same old argument with the same old posters so it doesn’t seem to change anyones mind, but then there’s the question of people who are lurking and just reading the thread who’s might actually be convinced or have a perspective changed but ktt a small site so i don’t think there’s that many people actually lurking, so it just ends up being the same argument with the same posters over and over again.

So your solution is?

Nobody has ever claimed it would help s*** on its own, no disagreement there.

So you think PPW can work in present day USA? Or in a distant future?

Agree. It’s just that people end up talking about that inevitability more than they’ll grit their teeth and actually carry it out

To me it's the only strategy that makes the most sense.

I feel like most MLs dream of one day there is just more communists than capitalists and we all rise up as one massive blob taking over the US. However, we're taking on the greatest empire the world has ever known.

A People’s Army does not just come into being overnight anymore than a Party worth its salt does overnight. Every process when we are discussing revolution is a long, drawn out, protracted one, rife with potholes, pitfalls, and setbacks, twists and turns. This is why those who believe that we can simply resurrect the Bolshevik insurrection of 1917 (itself a process that was protracted, lasting almost 30 years), fall short.

PPW is a strategy that will win, even the United States government has called it unbeatable. Slowly killing the giant by not confronting it at once.

A lot of MLs think PPW has to be fighting in the jungle, but that's not the case. A PPW in the US would be fought in the cities, it would be fought by setting up base areas in working class neighborhoods (strategic defense.) If you look at most American cities you can find a pattern of poor working class areas often surrounding the downtown. That's where a PPW would be staged.

lol

We are in Hell.

new channel 5 video got me , there's a thread in life sxn about it

basically its about this group called the "Uhuru Movement" which is affiliated with APSP, it's widely thought of as a cult around the leader Omali Yeshitela

Loved when that dude was in Portland last year

They will quite literally do anything before paying workers a barely living wage