deadacc

4y

wonder if mark fisher ever heard trilogy

seems like its everything he liked to nut over stewed together - burial, post punk, drake - although there's enough nostalgia bait that he would hate it as well.

chips

4y

the process of getting there was horribly inefficient but the fighter itself is brilliant

just wish it looked more like a Tomcat or FF :(

Plankton

4y

Moron, the F35 has become a massive success. The Free World’s fighter

the reds

4y

It's main purpose is being masturbatory material for mouth breathers like you who think the world's number democracy overthrown cares about freedom

Plankton

4y

Like I said, massive success

the reds

4y

Just gon block this idiot, he's missed enough chances to display any signs of neuron activity

krishna bound

4y

everything about this article is infuriating (rhetorical questions below)

1) why are we supposed to act like a cocaine doordash app is just a thing that's commonly known and acceptable
2) why are these d*** addicts getting special treatment being treated like martyrs for a crisis affecting hundreds of thousands of americans
3) what makes this situation more grave than the wider crisis crippling communities throughout the country and keeping people regularly ODing on the streets

the language used in this article is really interesting if you want a transparent example of intra-group vs inter-group interactions

krishna bound

4y

i mean, he's not fully wrong. Things like the goals of stuff like the F35 is a huge success for its intended audience, and you could arguably say the same thing about wars like Iraq. The people who aren't political sycophants to US hegemony aren't the target audience to be won over or create a***yses over what happened. An anti-US person would argue the US lost Vietnam due to causalities, territory losses, domestic support, and stated goals, a pro-US person would argue the US won since Vietnam ultimately became a capitalist country, a US ally, and a foreign receptacle of US global business interest. If people like him think it's a success or victory in some manner then the goal's been achieved, most people in this thread aren't the target audience of taken actions by the state.

Womanpuncher69

4y

first thing that popped out to me was cocaine delivery service

like do they mean a regular d*** dealer who just comes by ur place or

the reds

4y

But I'm obviously not arguing from my perspective. Guys like Plankton are delusional so I wouldn't look to them for any sober assessment of ruling class perspective. If we're talking about the perspective of the Military Industrial Complex, sure they won. But they win regardless of any strategic outcome as long as the defense industry makes money and the officers climb up the career. If we're talking about the goal of the Vietnam War which was to stand up the southern puppet government then it failed. Sure in the long term Vietnam has undergone rapprochement with the U.S anyways not as a client state but under the terms of the Communist party and not as an outcome of the war itself. It's like like claiming the Nazis won WW2 because the EU ended up being established.

Now for the F-35, the stated goals of making a cheap highly effective next gen plane for every branch of the US military I really don't see any argument where it's succeeded.

krishna bound

4y

I'm more saying that arguing over results don't matter as much when you're talking to someone who basically doesn't live in or share the same reality as you. I'm not actually saying you're wrong or saying I agree myself with the points in my post, i'm more saying that there's no point in any type of discussion with people who fundamentally live in a different reality. You can bring up whatever historical or economic facts you want, but it's only going to go as far as there exists a will to acknowledge it in return basically. Essentially you're wasting brainpower arguing or appealing to exterior political ideologies regardless of objectivity

the reds

4y

But I'm obviously not arguing from my perspective. Guys like Plankton are delusional so I wouldn't look to them for any sober assessment of ruling class perspective. If we're talking about the perspective of the Military Industrial Complex, sure they won. But they win regardless of any strategic outcome as long as the defense industry makes money and the officers climb up the career. If we're talking about the goal of the Vietnam War which was to stand up the southern puppet government then it failed. Sure in the long term Vietnam has undergone rapprochement with the U.S anyways not as a client state but under the terms of the Communist party and not as an outcome of the war itself. It's like like claiming the Nazis won WW2 because the EU ended up being established.

Now for the F-35, the stated goals of making a cheap highly effective next gen plane for every branch of the US military I really don't see any argument where it's succeeded.

Plankton

4y

Yea, I’m the delusional one. All those countries must be buying the F35 because it stinks. Turkey begging and screaming for a plane that’s a failure. Meanwhile the SU-57 can’t even make it into serial production

The F35 is in service with every branch that operates fighter jets, so you’re just outright wrong about that

eye contact

4y

Field tests saying that the fighter is woefully ineffective are obviously wrong because governments totally would never buy faulty products, especially on the taxpayers dime.

They totally haven’t done that before

Plankton

4y

Field tests from when? 2006? The program faltered at first but has evolved over time to produce an excellent fighter. Everyone who follows defense knows this. Same thing happened to the F16 and it became the most produced, most iconic fighter of all time

eye contact

4y

You think the F-16 was the most produced fighter of all time?

Plankton

4y

I’ll take the L on that, dk why I thought that. Don’t have to be an a****** about it tho

eye contact

4y

You need to be bullied, don’t hate the messenger

Plankton

4y

CCP is a year out from indiscriminately killing civilians in Taiwan