Looks better than most big budget movies. Practical effects >>>>> cgi blood/gore

Of course it is, because a man is not murdered by a woman every 5 minutes in the real world.

Context matters, and if you weren’t a halfwit you would understand that.

If you enjoy to see women in pain, even if it’s simulated, than that’s on you.

not that deep

For you?

Probably not.

im just saying, I couldn't imagine watching a movie and be looking this deep into something and then get taken out from the movie. So if you were watching this movie and saw this scene, would u just get pissed off?

Certain things in movies are just unnecessary.

Rape scenes, animal abuse, women being tortured etc.

It’s all shock without value.

It doesn’t really add anything.

A man is murdered by other men far more often in the real world then women are murdered by either s***combined

Get your virtue signaling ass tf outta here. It’s a movie

Am I going to be up all night if I watch this b**** tonight. Thinking of watching Terrifier 1 to celebrate Halloween since I ain't doing s*** else.

Men’s violence against women is an epidemic that has been going on since the inception of time.

A black man is more likely to be killed by another black man than by a police officer; I guess we shouldn’t mention police violence either then?

You see, your comparison is inherently flawed.

It’s a fair conversation to have but I don’t think their points were written convincingly enough to be applied to terrifier 2 specifically

Sorry, missed your earlier post.

I really was just commenting on “that scene”, which appears to be what people talk about on social media.

As for slashers, I don’t really enjoy them; no - but you have to agree that a woman being chased and then murdered tortured is a sad trope in the horror genre.

I personally think black on black violence should be a far bigger conversation than police brutality but that’s beside the point. You’re saying that we can’t see men on women violence in cinema because it happens in real life and I’m saying men on men violence is far more prevalent irl and historically but it’s done in cinema too for entertainment purposes.

I call what you’re doing as virtue signaling because you essentially want to further infantilize women. Many Hollywood writers are too scared of portraying women as 3 dimensional characters because to give them weaknesses or flaws will have people like you running to call those movies sexist. What you’re doing is actually holding women back. There’s a reason why most acting and directing legends are men and it’s because they’re allowed to portray themselves in any way they want while women too often get type cast into Mary Sue type roles. People can name a Tyler Durden or a Daniel Plainview but there’s no female counterpart

I think it’s a terrible conversation because it limits the barriers for how women can operate in cinema. We don’t want them to have flaws, weaknesses, get hurt, struggle, etc. instead they’re only allowed to tell men in movies they’re wrong, kick ass, and be the voice of reason. Emptily glorifying characters makes them one dimensional. And it’s the biggest thing holding women back in cinema.

I agree, to some extent… People will always be tortured and die within some movies - especially horror, and especially slasher/sadistic horror. I know multiple women who enjoyed this movie (and it would be reductive to simply treat that as internalized misogyny) and I would rather see more women placed in writing and directing roles within the horror industry, and then see how the tropes would naturally develop from there. Something like Titane was graphically violent too, with female and male victims, but it came from a woman’s perspective and had many differences from this. I have more issue with the embedded male director/writer - actress dynamic than the trope itself. But they are intimately connected

I think from an ethical position, it makes sense we should have more diversity in terms of directors and writers (more importantly diversity in producers, studio execs, and board of directors at studios) but honestly I don’t think the art really gets affected that much based on what race or gender the crew is, especially for big budget movies. Consider that Pam Grier in Jackie Brown is a more nuanced, better written, and truly memorable black female lead in a movie than most black women in todays films directed by black men or women. The issue really is with who’s producing and green lighting these films but also, it’s the reality that many of these black directors and writers don’t possess anywhere near the talent of a Quentin Tarantino. And I think the reason for that is that producers pick voices that will tell the stories they want them to tell rather than truly trying to find the great creatives. I think a Carl Franklin or John Singleton we’re far more talented filmmakers than any black director right now.

That has nothing to do with what he said. You are strawmanning his argument, which was that more women are killed by men, than men by women. Saying that "but men also kill more men" is not a valid response.

Watching this right now and the first death in the movie was already f***ing WILD.

Why are yall talking about violence against women? Art the clown f***s every one up, no discrimination

it is a very valid response. If the argument is that men shouldn't kill women because it happens a lot in real life, then we shouldn't see men killing men in movies because that happens far more often.

My man, you are bringing up a point that no one has raised. Where did the other poster say he didn't want complex female characters with flaws? All he said was that he found it distasteful to see a woman butchered by a man on the screen - which is a 100% valid opinion (for reasons that apparently illude you).

And I hate to break it to you - but that other point you made is def not what is holding back women in the industry

No, because violence directed at women is something very real and distinctive. In fact, ask your female friends if they usually feel safe doing something mundane like walking alone at night - something that many men consider safe. According to your argument, men should experience way more fear

I won't even talk about the fact that you reduce something complex to a single sentence. More men are killed under what circumstances? War, brawls, arguments? Under what circumstances do you see the same thing happen to women?

If you break down the numbers and the statistics you will soon see that your comparison is dishonest

Anyone who has an argument based on not wanting to see women and men be treated the same in a slasher movie is likely to believe that women shouldn't have flaws in movies (in fact to them, they probably think the only acceptable flaws in cinema for women is Wonder Woman being naive or some cringe bullshit)

Also, I am talking about women in cinema, not the industry. We are seeing plenty of female directors, producers, writers getting opportunities (and sure there is still more work to do in that department), but quite frankly, most of their work is absolute dogshit and actually pales massively in comparison to the work from women in the 70s, 80s, and 90s cinema wise despite being far greater in number. And a big reason for that is how much they have limited themselves creatively by making rules for what is and isn't acceptable in art.

If you really need any further explanation, the absolute garbage film Booksmart is our generations answer to the iconic comedies like Clueless (directed by a woman), Superbad, Mean Girls (written by a woman), etc. What a f***ing joke.

Violence being directed at men is much more real and distinctive considering it happens on a far higher level. I don't feel safe walking alone at night, the f***? Nobody does. When I used to live on university campus, we had social services to allow campus police to escort us back to our dorms if we were out late at night. That was intended for both sexes.

There are no wars going on in the US currently. But you can literally look at gov statistics and you will find in every category, men attack and kill men at higher rates. I am not sure why you think violence directed at women is real but not violence directed at men. Clearly looking at the numbers, there is a legitimate reason why men would target other men.

Ok fair enough, but from what I understand the most cruel and sadistic death in the movie by far (even according to the OP) was that of a woman. That was his problem, as I understand it. Not that women can't be victims.

To your second point, purely subjective. And I am sure that both groups of women (past and present) would have a serious problem with your suggestion that they themselves are the ones creating barriers.

Nobody is saying violence by men against other men isn't real.

But violence against women by men happens in a severely different context. Because, while men are also more likely to be victims of violent crime, women are overwhelmingly more likely to be victims of severe domestic abuse.