Sep 10, 2022
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Sep 10, 2022·2 repliesScratchin Mamba@Elric not the part about Poland denying the USSR passage to defend Czechoslovakia
Yes this is a good post and I knew alot of it before I saw you originally post it but I don't see how it negates the fact that Russia did invade Poland right after Germany.
If I was Poland I'm not sure I would let Russia trapse through under the pretense that they were saving Europe from fascism either tbh. I'm not a history buff please dunk lightly
- Sep 10, 2022·1 replyElric
Yes this is a good post and I knew alot of it before I saw you originally post it but I don't see how it negates the fact that Russia did invade Poland right after Germany.
If I was Poland I'm not sure I would let Russia trapse through under the pretense that they were saving Europe from fascism either tbh. I'm not a history buff please dunk lightly
What would the alternative have been? An underprepared Russia at war with Germany, exactly how the western powers wanted it? A Poland entirely under the Germans? What?
Sep 10, 2022PlanktonYes it is lol. They are Catholic.
- Sep 10, 2022·2 repliesElric
Yes this is a good post and I knew alot of it before I saw you originally post it but I don't see how it negates the fact that Russia did invade Poland right after Germany.
If I was Poland I'm not sure I would let Russia trapse through under the pretense that they were saving Europe from fascism either tbh. I'm not a history buff please dunk lightly
Well Poland furthered the rise of the Nazis before they were invaded by Germany. They refused defense treaties with the USSR, annexed chunks of Czechoslovakia along with Nazi Germany after the Munich agreement (no wonder they denied passage to the Soviets to defend Czechoslovakia).
The USSR did invade Poland afterwards, but guess what that was territory that Poland took from the USSR only 20 years earlier, the exact thing Ukraine wants to do in the Crimea. But the bigger reason was that the Soviets didn't want Nazi Germany to advance all the way up to their boarder with Poland. Not exactly buddying up with the Nazis (in contrast to what Poland did with Nazi Germany in Czechoslovakia).
Now I still hold the line that the entire Molotov-Ribbentroppact was still an unjustifiable violation of principles, but it wasn't the USSR willingly working with the Nazis. It was the result of the USSR backed into a corner, finding itself with no allies against the Nazis, buying time and space to deal with the inevitable looming Nazi invasion, which the Poles were happy to actively aid in when it came to their benefit less than a year before it happened to them.
- Sep 10, 2022·1 replyScratchin Mamba
Why can't they be part of the West
- Sep 10, 2022·1 replyeye contact
What would the alternative have been? An underprepared Russia at war with Germany, exactly how the western powers wanted it? A Poland entirely under the Germans? What?
None of the Nazi generals thought they were ready for war either and the first few victories were just a stroke of luck for Hitler apparently. Russia had enough strength to invade, occupy than purge half of Poland. I just said I'm not a history buff but since you're asking I guess the best alternative would have been for both "unprepared" countries to just face each other down off the bat without all the collateral damage.
- Sep 10, 2022·1 replyPlankton
Why can't they be part of the West
They don't have the power or influence. Are they allied with the west? Sure. But that doesn't make them part of the west. Unless you consider Saudi Arabia part of the west as well.
- Sep 10, 2022·1 replyElric
None of the Nazi generals thought they were ready for war either and the first few victories were just a stroke of luck for Hitler apparently. Russia had enough strength to invade, occupy than purge half of Poland. I just said I'm not a history buff but since you're asking I guess the best alternative would have been for both "unprepared" countries to just face each other down off the bat without all the collateral damage.
the best alternative is not a realistic one. what would you REALISTICALLY have done?
- Sep 10, 2022eye contact
the best alternative is not a realistic one. what would you REALISTICALLY have done?
Brb checking with my war council
- Sep 10, 2022·1 reply
- Sep 10, 2022·1 replyScratchin Mamba
They don't have the power or influence. Are they allied with the west? Sure. But that doesn't make them part of the west. Unless you consider Saudi Arabia part of the west as well.
What does power or influence have to do with it lol
- Sep 10, 2022·1 replyPlankton
What does power or influence have to do with it lol
It's the reason why Englad could be consifered western and Ireland not as it was dominated by England
- Sep 10, 2022·1 replyScratchin Mamba
Well Poland furthered the rise of the Nazis before they were invaded by Germany. They refused defense treaties with the USSR, annexed chunks of Czechoslovakia along with Nazi Germany after the Munich agreement (no wonder they denied passage to the Soviets to defend Czechoslovakia).
The USSR did invade Poland afterwards, but guess what that was territory that Poland took from the USSR only 20 years earlier, the exact thing Ukraine wants to do in the Crimea. But the bigger reason was that the Soviets didn't want Nazi Germany to advance all the way up to their boarder with Poland. Not exactly buddying up with the Nazis (in contrast to what Poland did with Nazi Germany in Czechoslovakia).
Now I still hold the line that the entire Molotov-Ribbentroppact was still an unjustifiable violation of principles, but it wasn't the USSR willingly working with the Nazis. It was the result of the USSR backed into a corner, finding itself with no allies against the Nazis, buying time and space to deal with the inevitable looming Nazi invasion, which the Poles were happy to actively aid in when it came to their benefit less than a year before it happened to them.
You probably consider it Western propeganda but just i spent months recovering from surgery and watched that whole 24 hour long British documentary The World At War (produced by a Scottish jew, not BBC). Was only made a few decades after the war so it had to interviews with people from all ranks and walks of life from all sides of the conflict and felt like they gave they Russians the proper respect. Had at least one historian always defending Stalin's actions as responses to aggressive western diplomacy
I need some books tho According to them alot of the Slav regions the Nazis first invaded welcomed them and would have collaborated off their sheer hatred of Stalin from the previous years
weird cause apparently the Poles got along much better with the Russians during ww1 than they did Germans. - Sep 10, 2022·1 replyElric
You probably consider it Western propeganda but just i spent months recovering from surgery and watched that whole 24 hour long British documentary The World At War (produced by a Scottish jew, not BBC). Was only made a few decades after the war so it had to interviews with people from all ranks and walks of life from all sides of the conflict and felt like they gave they Russians the proper respect. Had at least one historian always defending Stalin's actions as responses to aggressive western diplomacy
I need some books tho According to them alot of the Slav regions the Nazis first invaded welcomed them and would have collaborated off their sheer hatred of Stalin from the previous years
weird cause apparently the Poles got along much better with the Russians during ww1 than they did Germans.Well Poland was a reactionary dictatorship with concentration camps where they would throw in communists themselves so it's not exactly surprising some would collaborate with the Nazis
Not to mention how the Polish killed tens of thousands of Russians as prisoners of wars during the Polish Soviet war when they annexed Russian territory
- Sep 10, 2022·3 repliesScratchin Mamba
Well Poland was a reactionary dictatorship with concentration camps where they would throw in communists themselves so it's not exactly surprising some would collaborate with the Nazis
Not to mention how the Polish killed tens of thousands of Russians as prisoners of wars during the Polish Soviet war when they annexed Russian territory
Well what would YOU have done, REALISTICALLY?
- Sep 10, 2022Elric
Well what would YOU have done, REALISTICALLY?
not participate in an irredentist war
they acted on their own initiative
- Sep 10, 2022·1 replyElric
Well what would YOU have done, REALISTICALLY?
Joined the Bolsheviks
Sep 10, 2022·2 repliesElricWell what would YOU have done, REALISTICALLY?
As a communist he would have joined the soviets because tankies don't believe in country n' nation they just accept the propaganda on the off chance that in the future the world turn into a communist Ethiopia, heaven for the proletariat.
- Sep 10, 2022·2 repliesScratchin Mamba
Joined the Bolsheviks
Was there anybody that chose bolsheviks over nazis in the early stages of the war?
Stalin mustve had a hell of a rep. Even Finland 
- Sep 10, 2022·2 repliesMantis Toboggan
As a communist he would have joined the soviets because tankies don't believe in country n' nation they just accept the propaganda on the off chance that in the future the world turn into a communist Ethiopia, heaven for the proletariat.
ah yes, I, a marxist, don't believe in national self-determination, a core tenet of marxist-leninism
- Sep 10, 2022·1 replyElric
Was there anybody that chose bolsheviks over nazis in the early stages of the war?
Stalin mustve had a hell of a rep. Even Finland you have to think about what hitler's reputation was in 1933-1939
it was far less controversial back then