Jul 24, 2022·1 replyTragedyBerlusconiI wish we could have an ideological debate thread and keep this one focused on the situation in Ukraine
Cause let's be real opinion on the war in Ukraine isn't just 'communists, pro Russian alt right vs libs and azov' is it
You don't have to be a globe emoji lib to think allowing russia to just grab half of Ukraine is a bad idea and sets an awful precedent for the world, and Europe just as you don't have to be a Russian shill to be cautious in support for ukraine
Also plankton js being a bit of a waste man now but I guess he's similar to how i was 2 years ago
tf are you talking about? I'm just making my case same as anyone else.
- Jul 24, 2022·2 replies
Ukrainians highly likely to retake kherson and we're talking communism
Live in the moment
Jul 24, 2022Planktontf are you talking about? I'm just making my case same as anyone else.
No you're a waste man bruv
Jul 24, 2022TragedyBerlusconiI wish we could have an ideological debate thread and keep this one focused on the situation in Ukraine
Cause let's be real opinion on the war in Ukraine isn't just 'communists, pro Russian alt right vs libs and azov' is it
You don't have to be a globe emoji lib to think allowing russia to just grab half of Ukraine is a bad idea and sets an awful precedent for the world, and Europe just as you don't have to be a Russian shill to be cautious in support for ukraine
Also plankton js being a bit of a waste man now but I guess he's similar to how i was 2 years ago
This ktt it always ends up in ideological debates.. annoying af
- Jul 24, 2022·1 replyTragedyBerlusconi
Ukrainians highly likely to retake kherson and we're talking communism
Live in the moment
I agree, we shouldn’t have to re-litigate communism after it failed for the whole world to see, but it is relevant seeing as the communists support Russia trying to get the old band back together, and that’s 100% of what this war is about. So it is relevant.
- Jul 24, 2022·1 replyPlankton
I agree, we shouldn’t have to re-litigate communism after it failed for the whole world to see, but it is relevant seeing as the communists support Russia trying to get the old band back together, and that’s 100% of what this war is about. So it is relevant.
They dint support Russia they just struggle to see the western worlds geopolitical interest aligning with rhe just course of action. It's unprecedented in their eyes
Though I agree if stalin was around and did what putin was doing in Syria they'd call it an emancipation
- Jul 24, 2022TragedyBerlusconi
They dint support Russia they just struggle to see the western worlds geopolitical interest aligning with rhe just course of action. It's unprecedented in their eyes
Though I agree if stalin was around and did what putin was doing in Syria they'd call it an emancipation
If that was the case they would just say that. Instead they use the Russian talking points of “the war is about Russian minorities in the east” and “NATO expansion” when in reality the war is 100% about Russian expansionism and revanchism.
Jul 25, 2022- Jul 25, 2022·1 replyTragedyBerlusconi
I wish we could have an ideological debate thread and keep this one focused on the situation in Ukraine
Cause let's be real opinion on the war in Ukraine isn't just 'communists, pro Russian alt right vs libs and azov' is it
You don't have to be a globe emoji lib to think allowing russia to just grab half of Ukraine is a bad idea and sets an awful precedent for the world, and Europe just as you don't have to be a Russian shill to be cautious in support for ukraine
Also plankton js being a bit of a waste man now but I guess he's similar to how i was 2 years ago
the issue is that in any form of discussion and action things inherently become aligned through partisanship (not US political partisanship - just general partisanship as an idea). like yes pragmatism and nuance exist but they exist in more theoretical form, in terms of broad action or discussion it's impossible to differentiate away from partisanship. It's easier to discuss or devolve into discussion over ideology because it forces a pivot where people can differentiate themselves from otherwise standard partisanship
- Jul 26, 2022krishna bound
the issue is that in any form of discussion and action things inherently become aligned through partisanship (not US political partisanship - just general partisanship as an idea). like yes pragmatism and nuance exist but they exist in more theoretical form, in terms of broad action or discussion it's impossible to differentiate away from partisanship. It's easier to discuss or devolve into discussion over ideology because it forces a pivot where people can differentiate themselves from otherwise standard partisanship
Especially when you have an inherently ideological conflict like the Russia-Ukraine war.
- Jul 26, 2022·1 reply
- Jul 26, 2022·1 replyScratchin Mamba
Using one complete idiot to tar everyone with a certain opinion of Russian foreign policy
Lit
- Jul 26, 2022TragedyBerlusconi
Using one complete idiot to tar everyone with a certain opinion of Russian foreign policy
Lit
Where did everybody get "tarred"
There's absolutely a difference in how much responsibility gets attributed to Russian people vs other wars waged by the west and their allies
Ur buddy plankton did it itt
- Jul 26, 2022
Read and absorb
Jul 27, 2022·4 repliesVogue photoshoot
Jul 27, 2022·2 repliesWe're definitely past the point for creative deals or even traditional negotiations. Russia has no incentive to negotiate unless it meets their demands..... which is in effect a Ukrainian surrender. Biden hinted a while ago they don't yet have a great negotiating position and Ukraine tells us all the time they won't negotiate unless they gain all the lost ground back (lol).
I know he got blowback for the concessions comment but Kissinger's point on the time window aspect seems correct. He said 2 months ago:
“Negotiations need to begin in the next two months before it creates upheavals and tensions that will not be easily overcome. Ideally, the dividing line should be a return to the status quo ante,”
Well here we are months later and Russia is close to completing the battle in Donbass, Lavrov is confirming Russia is ready to expand the war even more, the nation is comfortably shutting the EU from energy and the IMF just came out and said Russia's economy is doing better than expected
- Jul 27, 2022https://twitter.com/pablom_m/status/1551962859546058755scurry
Vogue photoshoot
Zelensky is so hungry for attention
- Jul 27, 2022·1 replyYANDHI
We're definitely past the point for creative deals or even traditional negotiations. Russia has no incentive to negotiate unless it meets their demands..... which is in effect a Ukrainian surrender. Biden hinted a while ago they don't yet have a great negotiating position and Ukraine tells us all the time they won't negotiate unless they gain all the lost ground back (lol).
I know he got blowback for the concessions comment but Kissinger's point on the time window aspect seems correct. He said 2 months ago:
“Negotiations need to begin in the next two months before it creates upheavals and tensions that will not be easily overcome. Ideally, the dividing line should be a return to the status quo ante,”
Well here we are months later and Russia is close to completing the battle in Donbass, Lavrov is confirming Russia is ready to expand the war even more, the nation is comfortably shutting the EU from energy and the IMF just came out and said Russia's economy is doing better than expected
The Russians can enjoy the next few years of car bombs
- Jul 27, 2022·1 replyTragedyBerlusconi
The Russians can enjoy the next few years of car bombs
Jul 27, 2022https://twitter.com/pablom_m/status/1551962859546058755scurryVogue photoshoot
absolutely disgusting
- Jul 27, 2022·2 replies
Honestly just bomb the shut out of Russian puppet officials. Its your land they've got no right to govern you so cause some chaos
- Jul 27, 2022Scratchin Mamba
Donbass about to see huge carbombings and assassinations
Already started
- Jul 27, 2022·2 replies
Interesting how the very real chance the Ukrainians are about to get kherson back seldom gets mentioned in here lol
lil ufo 🛸Jul 27, 2022·1 replyTragedyBerlusconiHonestly just bomb the shut out of Russian puppet officials. Its your land they've got no right to govern you so cause some chaos
yeah man, just cause some chaos