Jan 28, 2022·4 replieswith regards to the ending, gary and alana crashing into each other outside of a cinema feels like a reaffirmation that their relationship, whether there is, or even will be one, is resigned to fantasy and inherently unsustainable. the ending isn't.... dark, but it's definitely not the happy ending so many are interpreting it as. everything up until that point has made it clear that these two people, ages included, can not be with each other like that, alana only feels so attached to gary because, for lack of a better term, she's a loser who feels more comfortable lingering within the world of teenagers than adults. alana is just another of pta's neurotic wanderers searching for something to grab ahold of, the fact that she ends up making that something a teenager isn't played as celebratory to me.
Jan 28, 2022nosejabswith regards to the ending, gary and alana crashing into each other outside of a cinema feels like a reaffirmation that their relationship, whether there is, or even will be one, is resigned to fantasy and inherently unsustainable. the ending isn't.... dark, but it's definitely not the happy ending so many are interpreting it as. everything up until that point has made it clear that these two people, ages included, can not be with each other like that, alana only feels so attached to gary because, for lack of a better term, she's a loser who feels more comfortable lingering within the world of teenagers than adults. alana is just another of pta's neurotic wanderers searching for something to grab ahold of, the fact that she ends up making that something a teenager isn't played as celebratory to me.
This is an interpretation of the ending I offered up:
"I wonder if the ending is meant to
symbolize that Alana and Gary have this “arrested development” thing going on where they both are trying to escape the need to grow up and that the relationship won’t last or something. Gary calling her his wife and her just looking at him like he’s stupid makes me consider that."
Jan 28, 2022·1 replySegaDreamFlashBruh i actually agree with your sentiment that the romance between Gary / Alana made me uncomfortable.
But you talkin about sugar coating pedophilia when dude killed his wife and it was treated as a joke lmaoooo
He wasn't in any immediate danger, he killed his wife cuz she annoyed him lmaoo
Is Elric not doing that? Why you taking offense to something that not aimed at you. We good.
I’m just confused on how I’m in the wrong for liking Hollywood all because Cliff murdered his wife off screen, as if nobody in here likes movies that involves murder? And why’s that even being constantly mentioned when this argument been about pedophilia, like the two doesn’t relate at all. All I did was make a truthful joke that Brad turned down underage p****, which he did, and y’all keep running with “but he murdered his wife!!!”
- Jan 28, 2022·1 replySegaDreamFlash
it's wild cuz all I said was that both characters in said movies have shaky morality
and I was greeted with "being a murderer and pedo are two different things" like bruh killed his wife in self defense lmaooo
Nigga killed her cuz she was nagging him and got away with it
Bro cus the two doesn’t relate at all
- Jan 28, 2022
EverestI prefer the Chinese ending to this thread
Lmfaooooooooooooo
- Jan 28, 2022Oscar Winner
Bro cus the two doesn’t relate at all
They relate in the fact that in both movies we are seeing the POV of two people who aren't exactly beacons of morality and are very questionable this is what I said lol
- Jan 28, 2022·2 repliesOscar Winner
Is Elric not doing that? Why you taking offense to something that not aimed at you. We good.
I’m just confused on how I’m in the wrong for liking Hollywood all because Cliff murdered his wife off screen, as if nobody in here likes movies that involves murder? And why’s that even being constantly mentioned when this argument been about pedophilia, like the two doesn’t relate at all. All I did was make a truthful joke that Brad turned down underage p****, which he did, and y’all keep running with “but he murdered his wife!!!”
"Liking movies about murder" is too general of a statement lol. Rambo is a movie that got murder in it. What Cliff did in his movie aint the same, but I feel you lol
- Jan 28, 2022
Lmao you niggas really not that slick. Y’all tryna guilt trip me for criticizing this movie with “but you like Cliff from Hollywood and he murdered his wife” as if the two relates at all. All I said was “cliff turned down underage p****” cus he did. He literally did in the movie. The discussion is about pedophilia in movies, not murder.
- Jan 28, 2022·1 replySegaDreamFlash
"Liking movies about murder" is too general of a statement lol. Rambo is a movie that got murder in it. What Cliff did in his movie aint the same, but I feel you lol
So once again what does any of that have to do with my critiques on pedophilia? Cool you agree with me but why tag on “but clifff murdered his wife” ? Idc that’s a completely different subject.
- Jan 28, 2022Oscar Winner
So once again what does any of that have to do with my critiques on pedophilia? Cool you agree with me but why tag on “but clifff murdered his wife” ? Idc that’s a completely different subject.
They relate in the fact that in both movies we are seeing the POV of two people who aren't exactly beacons of morality and are very questionable this is what I said lol
- Jan 28, 2022·1 replySegaDreamFlash
"Liking movies about murder" is too general of a statement lol. Rambo is a movie that got murder in it. What Cliff did in his movie aint the same, but I feel you lol
Bro it’s crazy how y’all using an off-screen murder as the basis for whatever argument y’all tryna make. I ain’t even been ITT for a while and y’all yappin about “but Twitch over here liking cliff and he murdered his wife”
- Jan 28, 2022·1 replyOscar Winner
Bro it’s crazy how y’all using an off-screen murder as the basis for whatever argument y’all tryna make. I ain’t even been ITT for a while and y’all yappin about “but Twitch over here liking cliff and he murdered his wife”
True and in the same way PTA portrays Alana / Gary's relationship in a positive light
We clearly supposed to find Cliff being a murdering psycho as funny just by the tone of the scene, especially since it foreshadows how he cartoonishly kills the Manson family later on.
Like, Cliff is my fave character from that movie.. but I also know he clearly killed his wife just cuz she was nagging too much lol
So in a sense I'd say that both films put us in the shoes of morally questionable characters, what you choose to stomach is up to you.
But I can't say one character is clearly better than the other in terms of morality - Jan 28, 2022·1 replySegaDreamFlash
True and in the same way PTA portrays Alana / Gary's relationship in a positive light
We clearly supposed to find Cliff being a murdering psycho as funny just by the tone of the scene, especially since it foreshadows how he cartoonishly kills the Manson family later on.
Like, Cliff is my fave character from that movie.. but I also know he clearly killed his wife just cuz she was nagging too much lol
So in a sense I'd say that both films put us in the shoes of morally questionable characters, what you choose to stomach is up to you.
But I can't say one character is clearly better than the other in terms of moralityCliff on screen murdered people who was ready to kill A PREGNANT WIFE and other innocent ppl. What exactly did Alana do to make her root-able? All she did was thirst over a literal child. Y’all sure y’all wanna run with THIS comparison?
- Jan 28, 2022·2 repliesOscar Winner
Cliff on screen murdered people who was ready to kill A PREGNANT WIFE and other innocent ppl. What exactly did Alana do to make her root-able? All she did was thirst over a literal child. Y’all sure y’all wanna run with THIS comparison?
Bro WE, the AUDIENCE, knew that they were gonna kill Sharon Tate and other innocent people.
Cliff, THE CHARACTER, did not know them niggas was gonna murder Sharon, he was high off acid and just saw what he thought were 3 hippie teenagers breaking into his crib.
Plus the Manson murders werent even my initial argument lmaooo
My argument is that Cliff is shaky on moral grounds too, you keep saying "oh it's just murder" like bro just killed a random.. no my nigga.. just like how you wouldn't be down with an adult woman flashing a 15 year old, you wouldn't be down with a dude killing his wife cuz she annoyed him. That's facts.
And by your logic what did Cliff do that was rootable lmao He killed his wife cuz she got on his nerves, beat up Bruce Lee on set, beat up a mentally disable hippie for popping his tire, the only reedemable thing about him is his friendship with Rick & the fact that he killed the Manson killers actually & bro aint even know the situation
Jan 28, 2022·2 repliesThis thread is always so active lol tf going on
Jan 28, 2022·1 replynosejabswith regards to the ending, gary and alana crashing into each other outside of a cinema feels like a reaffirmation that their relationship, whether there is, or even will be one, is resigned to fantasy and inherently unsustainable. the ending isn't.... dark, but it's definitely not the happy ending so many are interpreting it as. everything up until that point has made it clear that these two people, ages included, can not be with each other like that, alana only feels so attached to gary because, for lack of a better term, she's a loser who feels more comfortable lingering within the world of teenagers than adults. alana is just another of pta's neurotic wanderers searching for something to grab ahold of, the fact that she ends up making that something a teenager isn't played as celebratory to me.
“But Alana is 25 and Gary is 15 so PTA is promoting pedophilia”
- Jan 28, 2022·1 replySegaDreamFlash
Bro WE, the AUDIENCE, knew that they were gonna kill Sharon Tate and other innocent people.
Cliff, THE CHARACTER, did not know them niggas was gonna murder Sharon, he was high off acid and just saw what he thought were 3 hippie teenagers breaking into his crib.
Plus the Manson murders werent even my initial argument lmaooo
My argument is that Cliff is shaky on moral grounds too, you keep saying "oh it's just murder" like bro just killed a random.. no my nigga.. just like how you wouldn't be down with an adult woman flashing a 15 year old, you wouldn't be down with a dude killing his wife cuz she annoyed him. That's facts.
And by your logic what did Cliff do that was rootable lmao He killed his wife cuz she got on his nerves, beat up Bruce Lee on set, beat up a mentally disable hippie for popping his tire, the only reedemable thing about him is his friendship with Rick & the fact that he killed the Manson killers actually & bro aint even know the situation
Bro but look what you said, we the AUDIENCE knew. So isn’t it logical to believe that Cliff did something heroic because of our knowledge of what was happening? Like niggas ain’t gonna sit here and think “yeah I know what the hippies was planning on doing, but Cliff didn’t know therefore I won’t root for him”…..lmao come on bro
- Jan 28, 2022·1 replySegaDreamFlash
Bro WE, the AUDIENCE, knew that they were gonna kill Sharon Tate and other innocent people.
Cliff, THE CHARACTER, did not know them niggas was gonna murder Sharon, he was high off acid and just saw what he thought were 3 hippie teenagers breaking into his crib.
Plus the Manson murders werent even my initial argument lmaooo
My argument is that Cliff is shaky on moral grounds too, you keep saying "oh it's just murder" like bro just killed a random.. no my nigga.. just like how you wouldn't be down with an adult woman flashing a 15 year old, you wouldn't be down with a dude killing his wife cuz she annoyed him. That's facts.
And by your logic what did Cliff do that was rootable lmao He killed his wife cuz she got on his nerves, beat up Bruce Lee on set, beat up a mentally disable hippie for popping his tire, the only reedemable thing about him is his friendship with Rick & the fact that he killed the Manson killers actually & bro aint even know the situation
But yeah I brought up the Manson murders to explain why ppl liked Cliff. Y’all acting like all he did was OFF screen murder his wife and we sat here and said Yayyyyyyy.
I’m giving examples of how an unlikeable character can still have likable qualities. You not new to this bro you know exactly what I’m saying.
In the case of Alana wasn’t nothing likable about her. All she did was bag a child.
- Jan 28, 2022Oscar Winner
Bro but look what you said, we the AUDIENCE knew. So isn’t it logical to believe that Cliff did something heroic because of our knowledge of what was happening? Like niggas ain’t gonna sit here and think “yeah I know what the hippies was planning on doing, but Cliff didn’t know therefore I won’t root for him”…..lmao come on bro
1) He unintentionally did something heroic on paper. But the whole scene played for dark comedy cuz dude high out of his mind to the point where he doesn't even remember them niggas names.
2) The Manson Family s*** is not why i said Cliff is a bad person, it's cuz he murdered his wife and the movie explicitly says that he did lol
- Jan 28, 2022·1 replyOscar Winner
But yeah I brought up the Manson murders to explain why ppl liked Cliff. Y’all acting like all he did was OFF screen murder his wife and we sat here and said Yayyyyyyy.
I’m giving examples of how an unlikeable character can still have likable qualities. You not new to this bro you know exactly what I’m saying.
In the case of Alana wasn’t nothing likable about her. All she did was bag a child.
The only likable quality he had was the Manson family s***, everything else he did screamed d***head behavior and I listed it for you lmaooo
- Jan 28, 2022·2 repliesJollofRaids
This thread is always so active lol tf going on
Niggas mad cus I disliked the pedophilia showcased in this film
They can say they “agree” with me but that becomes highly questionable when you go for this long arguing with me.
- Jan 28, 2022·1 replyOscar Winner
Niggas mad cus I disliked the pedophilia showcased in this film
They can say they “agree” with me but that becomes highly questionable when you go for this long arguing with me.
alright dude lol you got it
- Jan 28, 2022·edited·2 repliesSegaDreamFlash
The only likable quality he had was the Manson family s***, everything else he did screamed d***head behavior and I listed it for you lmaooo
Ok that’s fine and none of that involved being a pedophile (even tho those scenes was flirting with that like you shouldn’t cross)
Also miss me with that “he beat up a disabled person” now yall just making s*** up to prove a “point”
I woulda whipped bros ass too if he f***ed wit my whip. He was a acid tripping hippie he wasn’t disabled. - Jan 28, 2022·1 replySegaDreamFlash
alright dude lol you got it
Like I’m really not tryna go back and forth with y’all. But s*** confusing when y’all say “fam I agree with you” then what we even arguing about? Lol