Facts! You get it bro.

Imagine telling the judge “I only did it cus I’m a loser and more comfortable round kids”

The nigga he beat up is Clem Gorman. In real life Gorman was some dude that Manson got addicted to d**** to make him dependent on him & the family. His real-life counterpart received a reduced sentence from a judge who declared him "too stupid and too hopped on d**** to decide anything on his own."

My whole argument was that "damn both these movies have us in the POV of people that aren't really good people" saying "oh you agreeing with me is questionable" is mad weird lmao cuz not once did I co-sign the relationship between Gary & Alana, so adding that in was just unnecessary shade lol

lol exactly an acid tripping hippie

We ain’t defending no Manson members family. He deserved that ass whoopin

So what your telling me is your the driving force behind keeping this thread alive ?

Well fam how you think I feel when y’all like “we agree with you BUT sup wit you liking Cliff he did bla bla bla”…..lmao like damn why can’t we just keep the discussion about this movie in its rightful thread

Nigga you brought him up wtf

Except he was considered slow before the d**** and Manson and co just made it worse, it’s still f*** them niggas but what I’m saying isn’t made up like you claim it is lmao

All I know is when Cliff killed those Mfs in OUATIH it was hype as hell
Great song too
Leo with the flamethrower

now i'm thinking about how pathetic it was that tarantino turned the manson family into mouthpieces for criticisms levelled against him over the years. that movie is so childish. pretty good tho.

Well technically someone else did that’s why I joked about “Cliff turned down underage p****” and y’all really wanted to run with this “who’s morally more wrong” argument lol

Lmaooo feel me. S*** was glorious

So are you actually going to respond to that post or…?

I can tell you just reading to respond and not actually reading what I'm saying cuz in my OG statement one of the things I said was

So in a sense I'd say that both films put us in the shoes of morally questionable characters, what you choose to stomach is up to you.
But I can't say one character is clearly better than the other in terms of morality

But yea lol

imagine the tiktoks when badlands came out

I mean I did? “She’s going after a teenager cus she’s a loser and comfortable around kids” doesn’t change that she’s a Pedo.

And I don’t know why y’all keep ignoring my point that PTA HIMSELF is defending their relationship saying “there isn’t a provocative bone in this movie” the only thing he owned up to was the racism and explained what he was going for. If PTA said “Alana is meant to be this loser ass Pedo b**** who represents how twisted s*** was in the 70s” then I’d say “ok cool I respect what you tryna do”

But that ain’t the case. He made a cute romance flick and then defended it with his comments. I’m not sure why y’all keep coming for me with y’all made up conclusions when the director himself feels their relationship is Ok when it clearly isn’t.

all this controversy over the most chaste "romance" in cinema since like the 30s

“She showed him her t*** tho”

I guess bro. I just don’t get how I can’t express my opinion about this film and it’s left at that, especially with the nature about it. Yea I joked about Cliff because someone mentioned Hollywood, and it’s a factual statement. It wasn’t an invitation to start arguing about “but Cliff killed his wife”

Lol like we really comparing one scene that the killing happens off screen to the entire plot of a movie.

Which is a form of pedophilia. Would you show your d*** to a 15 year old?

She also kissed him.
She also went on a date with him.
She also got jealous over him talking to girls his age (which isn’t illegal but still weird and creepy af)

Yeah but we know Sheens character is a creep and psycho. He’s not made out to be a good person at all. Same reason I’m good with the red rocket movie because it’s none “this dude is a f***in creep”

"I just don’t get how I can’t express my opinion about this film and it’s left at that" bruh it was like mad times when @Elric was like agree to disagree and y'all kept debating we can't pull this now

And that one killing off screen is literally a plot point that foreshadows the ending of the movie, so it's kind of important too lmao

the romance in this movie, if it could even be called that, isn't portrayed as sweet or healthy and any moments where it surrenders to whimsy are underlined with a tinge of discomfort that you're just ignoring. but also i just don't care about the age gap lol it's such a non issue and the controversy is ridiculous. all of pta's movies are about f***ed up people and i really don't know why people are becoming so worked up by this one just because it dares to explore relationships (the kind that did and still do happen) like this