Gosh 😹Nov 13, 2025·1 reply
Bobby_96Kinda weird that I sort of see where you're coming from.
Now has never been a better time to be a veteran rapper in the game. Hence why a lot of these stats show rappers who debuted more than 10 years ago dominating.
Quite literally "rap fatigue" is trending right now because people just flat out are done with a lot of the newer generation rappers.
It's not like the older days where different trends, stars, movements, and scenes were constantly prevailing in hip hop. In the late 90's alone, we went from Shiny Suit dominance in the mainstream in 97 to a much grittier movement in 98 and 99.
It's not like that anymore. That's also why I think Iceman will do well even if it's mid. People would rather hear the veterans still put s*** out than be invested in the newer mainstream acts.
It’s not even just new rappers, a lot of new rap from older rappers isn’t performing as well either, of course there’s a few exceptions
- Nov 13, 2025·1 replyGosh
It’s not even just new rappers, a lot of new rap from older rappers isn’t performing as well either, of course there’s a few exceptions
But the bar is lower for them because they're older or have been in the industry for way longer.
Nobody expects Nas to dominate mainstream rap 30+ years in his career. Or Clipse who've been in it for 25 years. Or Wayne who's also been in the game for 30 years. Or Jay, Ye, Em, 50, Jeezy, etc.
They're not expected to carry rap commercially because they're OGs at this point and legacy acts.
It's different for newer rappers because they're expected to carry the rap game on their backs or change things around. But it's happening at a slower pace than any time before in rap.
- Gosh 😹Nov 13, 2025·1 replyBobby_96
But the bar is lower for them because they're older or have been in the industry for way longer.
Nobody expects Nas to dominate mainstream rap 30+ years in his career. Or Clipse who've been in it for 25 years. Or Wayne who's also been in the game for 30 years. Or Jay, Ye, Em, 50, Jeezy, etc.
They're not expected to carry rap commercially because they're OGs at this point and legacy acts.
It's different for newer rappers because they're expected to carry the rap game on their backs or change things around. But it's happening at a slower pace than any time before in rap.
It might be lower for people like Clipse, but the bar is still high for people like Drake, Kendrick, and even Cole for example, I do think the bar is lower for Ye, but mostly because of his antics, people still expected DONDA to do well even as an older rapper, I even think the bar is pretty high for whenever Hov drops next tbh
Now that I think about it, do we really expect new rappers to sell more than established rappers?
- Nov 13, 2025·1 replyGosh
It might be lower for people like Clipse, but the bar is still high for people like Drake, Kendrick, and even Cole for example, I do think the bar is lower for Ye, but mostly because of his antics, people still expected DONDA to do well even as an older rapper, I even think the bar is pretty high for whenever Hov drops next tbh
Now that I think about it, do we really expect new rappers to sell more than established rappers?
Good point.
Nov 13, 2025·editedhttps://twitter.com/chartdata/status/1988773997018800214https://twitter.com/itsKenBarbie/status/1987962389468262501https://twitter.com/BardiUpdatess/status/1988664877578350670Mafia Bossnothing she do is genuine ☠️
- Gosh 😹Nov 13, 2025Bobby_96
Good point.
I’m curious to see what new rappers will be able to hit that 300k first week threshold, will be interesting, hope it’s not a goddamn AI rapper
- Nov 13, 2025Bobby_96
Kinda weird that I sort of see where you're coming from.
Now has never been a better time to be a veteran rapper in the game. Hence why a lot of these stats show rappers who debuted more than 10 years ago dominating.
Quite literally "rap fatigue" is trending right now because people just flat out are done with a lot of the newer generation rappers.
It's not like the older days where different trends, stars, movements, and scenes were constantly prevailing in hip hop. In the late 90's alone, we went from Shiny Suit dominance in the mainstream in 97 to a much grittier movement in 98 and 99.
It's not like that anymore. That's also why I think Iceman will do well even if it's mid. People would rather hear the veterans still put s*** out than be invested in the newer mainstream acts.
“Mid” in this case is subjective and relative. I bet you no matter what the same people crying in here everyday about how Drake has fallen off are not gonna like iceman. But that’s cool because other rappers just cannot make the music Drake makes so he’ll always win in the end. He only has to be better than other rappers, not his old self. Same for Kanye. Especially in the streaming era where a strong discog matters so much more in the long term than present narratives
- Nov 13, 2025·edited·1 replyBobby_96
It's legit one of the most frontloaded albums I've seen in years. Even beating many K Pop albums.
It's like she spent more time focusing on breaking Adele's record than focusing on the album's replay value and staying power. I think even her last album which was also mid had more legs than this.
Taylor has become the Mr. Beast of pop music. And it's funny because she started off the decade releasing her best albums then immediately fell off after 2021.
I wouldn't go that far. Album has been #1 for 5 weeks and is challenging for a sixth week at #1, same with the album's lead single. Yeah, outside of that, it isn't doing much damage or making any real noise in the real world but in a year or 2, it'll be certified 6x Platinum. That's a W by every conceivable metric.
- Nov 13, 2025·2 replieshttps://twitter.com/chartdata/status/1988773997018800214https://twitter.com/itsKenBarbie/status/1987962389468262501https://twitter.com/BardiUpdatess/status/1988664877578350670Mafia Boss
nothing she do is genuine ☠️
All she cares about is outperforming Nicki. Very pathetic behavior.
- Nov 13, 2025Bobby_96
Kinda weird that I sort of see where you're coming from.
Now has never been a better time to be a veteran rapper in the game. Hence why a lot of these stats show rappers who debuted more than 10 years ago dominating.
Quite literally "rap fatigue" is trending right now because people just flat out are done with a lot of the newer generation rappers.
It's not like the older days where different trends, stars, movements, and scenes were constantly prevailing in hip hop. In the late 90's alone, we went from Shiny Suit dominance in the mainstream in 97 to a much grittier movement in 98 and 99.
It's not like that anymore. That's also why I think Iceman will do well even if it's mid. People would rather hear the veterans still put s*** out than be invested in the newer mainstream acts.
This isn't nearly as simple as you're making it out to be. The so-called veterans you speak of are veterans for a reason. They're rappers who have been tried, trusted and have stood the test of time with their music (even if it's only with the older music for some of them). Still, essentially, they're the brand you can trust as a consumer.
It's not on them to keep the rap game exciting. That's on newer acts to come in, chart their own respective paths and do so in a way that gives them huge followings as well. None of the newer rap acts have succeeded in doing so on the scale and consistency veteran rappers have and so you see listeners and fans deferring back to spending more time listening to them.
You can't say stuff like "Iceman will do well even if it's mid" because no one keeps listening to music they don't genuinely enjoy. If Iceman does well, especially in the long-term, it'll be because there's some good music on it that people enjoy going back to, not just because it's music that was made by Drake.
- Nov 13, 2025·2 replies
Nov 13, 2025https://twitter.com/talkofthecharts/status/1988892586665230619thegreatdivinedamn leon thomas
Nov 13, 2025·2 repliesBobby_96Kinda weird that I sort of see where you're coming from.
Now has never been a better time to be a veteran rapper in the game. Hence why a lot of these stats show rappers who debuted more than 10 years ago dominating.
Quite literally "rap fatigue" is trending right now because people just flat out are done with a lot of the newer generation rappers.
It's not like the older days where different trends, stars, movements, and scenes were constantly prevailing in hip hop. In the late 90's alone, we went from Shiny Suit dominance in the mainstream in 97 to a much grittier movement in 98 and 99.
It's not like that anymore. That's also why I think Iceman will do well even if it's mid. People would rather hear the veterans still put s*** out than be invested in the newer mainstream acts.
Lol y’all saying two different things, you coming from an a***ytical point about nostalgic consumption and he’s literally saying the only artists in the world worth listening to are the most streamed Spotify artists
Nov 13, 2025BRAVELol y’all saying two different things, you coming from an a***ytical point about nostalgic consumption and he’s literally saying the only artists in the world worth listening to are the most streamed Spotify artists
Yeah, I don’t think @bobby_96 gets the stupid ass point Blue Man is trying to make
Just another dumb way of saying Drake is better than everyone
- Nov 13, 2025
Watch the mf deny it too
Nov 13, 2025·1 replythegreatdivineI wouldn't go that far. Album has been #1 for 5 weeks and is challenging for a sixth week at #1, same with the album's lead single. Yeah, outside of that, it isn't doing much damage or making any real noise in the real world but in a year or 2, it'll be certified 6x Platinum. That's a W by every conceivable metric.
what does 'making noise' even mean in this 2026 media landscape? Even the biggest albums seem like they came and went.
- Nov 13, 2025·1 replythegreatdivine
All she cares about is outperforming Nicki. Very pathetic behavior.
Nobody is gonna call it out though cause they hate Nicki. But she's gonna break more "records".
Nov 13, 2025Nearing 20 years into her career still dropping megahits
- Nov 13, 2025·1 reply
“Megahit” ijbol
- Nov 13, 2025·2 repliesMafia Boss
Nobody is gonna call it out though cause they hate Nicki. But she's gonna break more "records".
I don’t think she’s solely doing it to outperform Nicki, the album flopped she’s just doing whatever she can to recoup money for her label
Nov 13, 2025thegreatdivineAll she cares about is outperforming Nicki. Very pathetic behavior.
poster child of being pathetic calling others pathetic is always hilarious
- Nov 13, 2025·1 replyTheFader
“Megahit” ijbol
Yes. Something The Weakend will never have again
Nov 13, 2025Mid zy
- Nov 13, 2025https://twitter.com/talkofthecharts/status/1988892586665230619thegreatdivine
"Cody Johnson"
- Nov 13, 2025·1 replyMidzy
Yes. Something The Weakend will never have again
Timeless spent 10 more weeks on the Hot 100 than the longest charting song on The Tortured Garbage Department
