Okay that last part is a lie because I know plenty people who have been received their After Hours vinyl, that was two years ago at this point and they’re available at mass retailers.

And secondly, it makes no sense to have them count when they ship for two reasons.

1: It doesn’t matter when the product ships, the money is being spent when the order is made. It’s a pre-order. If someone has the money to buy 5 physical copies of an album, even though it ships at a later date, it should count, because they’re being charged for it on the spot. If it was a situation where they’re just reserving their copy without actually paying for it yet, I can understand, but that’s not the case. If I’m being charged the moment I hit “place order”, it should count towards that week’s sales.

2: Like that other poster said, it completely messes up future sales weeks. If Dawn FMs vinyl had shipped a week earlier, he would’ve potentially got the #1 album that week over Pusha. Are vinyl sales from placed 4 months prior going #1 over a brand new album an accurate representation of the biggest album in the country that week? Absolutely not, and that’s why Billboard should change it back to where physical purchases count the moment they’re ordered.

A sale is a sale, but it should count when it happens not when its preordered

It doesn’t though. It creates an accurate representation of the charts when they actually ship. Dawn FM would’ve beat It’s Almost Dry if they shipped one week prior, and that wouldn’t have been fair at all.

How is this fair whatsoever though?

Those Dawn FM sales were made in January, didn’t count until April. If they shipped one week earlier, they would’ve beat Pusha for #1 album in the country that week, based solely off of purchases made 4 months prior. How is that a fair and accurate representation of the charts that week?

That won't be happening because artists used that to game the charts. This is the way it works for movies and video games so why should music be different? Your pre-orders never count as actual sale units until the units have been shipped out. That's how labels used to cook numbers for their artists in the past. They'd print 2 million copies of an album and declare it as 2 million albums sold for their artist, meanwhile, those albums are still on the shelves 5 years later.

If artists want their pre-orders to count the week their albums drop, all they have to do is ensure they ship out all their pre-orders the week their albums drop. That's what Harry Styles is doing for his album so it's not out of the realm of possibility.

Imagine if the MCU announced Thor Love And Thunder made 200 million already and was the highest grossing movie this week because of preorder ticket sales and preorders for blu-ray. That's not accurate until those people actually go to the theater and see the film. I always thought it was weird the labels count preorders as sales but I know they're more desperate than movie studios

This is simple logic, I don't get how people don't understand this. Plus Billboard never said your pre-orders can't count the week your album drops. All you have to do is ship them out the week the album drops. Do that and it'll count for you. That isn't hard lol.

I think it does matter when it shipsnbut it shouldn't have to ship that first week. I think bundles should count but it should only be a tshirt hoodie but it should have to be a physical copy not a digital album. So basically box sets as is now. They should also have to have a minimum price.

then why do you want to forbid sales talk lol, it's an interesting aspect of the music industry

It isn't if you plan it well. How did Adele manage to make it happen? How did Taylor Swift pull it off? Harry Styles is also about to do the same thing.

Put your album up for pre-order months before the album drops and ready the shipments to go out the week the album drops. There are 7 days in a tracking week so you don't have to ship everything out in one day. You can spread it out over 7 days. It's really not that hard if you insist on getting those sales to count for you.

230 pages of Drake Stan insecurity

Then drop your album without vinyls, do the numbers you'll do and keep it moving (like most artists have been doing since the rule change). How hard is that? Lol.

ktt2.com/why-no-one-is-selling-more-than-450k-every-again-32521713

Why they dont lock these Kendrick cope threads

Niggas still in here complaining. No one is forcing you to click on the thread

Shouldn't you be in the most delusional thread in KTTs history? Why are you in here.

Then deal with it. The first week ain't the end of the world. Take Doja Cat's album. It never spent a single week at #1 (Tyler's album debuted at #1 that week) but it's spent 40 weeks in the top 10 and sold over 1M units more than Tyler's album has. There's different ways to look at success. Post Malone's Stoney never peaked at #1 (it peaked at #4) but it's sold over 5M units and is one of the most streamed albums of all time.