May 19, 2022thegreatdivineThat's why his fans should have streamed the album more to make up for the loss not having physicals would bring.
May 19, 2022·1 replythegreatdivine*Kenny Chesney. His album outsold Dark Lane Demo Tapes and debuted at #1 but only because he used bundles.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/11/arts/music/kenny-chesney-drake-charts-bundle.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryanrolli/2020/05/16/kenny-chesney-drake-billboard-200-chart-manipulation/amp/
I didnt even know that. So it ended Drakes #1 streak?
May 19, 2022You rather have a new projections thread every two days? Just don't enter the thread bruh lol this is perfect for the people who wanna discuss this part of things. S***, I forget it exists half the time since it's stickied.
Edit: I saw your following post, keeping the discussion in the respective album threads wouldn't keep other fanbases out. That's silly lol this was a great idea
- May 19, 2022
Zack From The SixThey just did what they are suppose to do: lock threads that were already made
We didn't need 15 HDD threads, one was enough. I don't see any bias from them.Kendrick fans really wanted mods to let them have 500 threads celebrating Kenny Chesney outselling Drake
- May 19, 2022·1 replyY0rn
I didnt even know that. So it ended Drakes #1 streak?
No, SFG rerelease didn't debut at #1 so that ended it but it was just weird to see people do that much.
- May 19, 2022·3 repliesthegreatdivine
*Kenny Chesney. His album outsold Dark Lane Demo Tapes and debuted at #1 but only because he used bundles.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/11/arts/music/kenny-chesney-drake-charts-bundle.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryanrolli/2020/05/16/kenny-chesney-drake-billboard-200-chart-manipulation/amp/
Drake was so upset he paid to have someone write this
Excuses work for Drake but no one else - May 19, 2022thegreatdivine
No, SFG rerelease didn't debut at #1 so that ended it but it was just weird to see people do that much.
Yeah but i mean after Drake had like 7 or 8 projects going #1 right? So he was heading to the record Eminem/Kanye hold for most consecutive #1 albums right? I mean DLDT ended that streak then. Didnt even know that. Great tape tho
- May 19, 2022thegreatdivine
Kendrick's numbers are disappointing ONLY because it's Kendrick. It'd be the same if Adele dropped and did 200k. Why were Dawn FM's numbers seen as an L? Because it's the Weeknd. His previous 3 albums before Dawn FM did between 444k, 348k and 412k respectively. That creates an expectation, whether you like it or not. Now, if Dawn FM had done like 275k, no one in their right mind would call it an L because while it's a decline, it's not a steep decline. To show you how much of an L Dawn FM was, Starboy (2016) pulled more on-demand audio streams than an album released in 2022, so it wasn't just about a sales decline. The album legit flopped.
As for Kendrick, DAMN was released 5 years ago and did 340M on-demand audio streams. Not thoroughly outdoing those numbers now will be an L because streaming has grown and this album has more tracks. That's how the Ls are being classified.
If a Drake album does 300k tomorrow, even if no one else in the game is doing 200k, people will automatically see it as an L for Drake because it's Drake and because they know what he's used to doing. That's where this all comes from, not because anyone is trying to put Kendrick down.
As for you saying people think Drake's next album will do a million first week, I've personally never seen that and I'd like to assume no one in their right mind is stupid enough to think that will happen.
- May 19, 2022·1 replyiGOAT
Drake was so upset he paid to have someone write this
Excuses work for Drake but no one else Source: trust me bro
- May 19, 2022iGOAT
Drake was so upset he paid to have someone write this
Excuses work for Drake but no one else You're stupid if you think Drake paid the New York Times, Forbes and Wall Street Journal to write about anything lmao.
May 19, 2022·1 replymangotfluwont this just be bundlesv2. every artist will just heavily incentivise fans to buy vinyls and then we'll be back in a s***ty situation where the charts mean nothing again
Vinyl sales and bundles are two completely different things, because a vinyl sale is a direct purchase of the album, so it should count even if they don’t ship until a later date.
- May 19, 2022·1 replyshaleirose
Vinyl sales and bundles are two completely different things, because a vinyl sale is a direct purchase of the album, so it should count even if they don’t ship until a later date.
all physicals CDs included no longer count unless shipped
- May 19, 2022·2 repliesDedication 666
all physicals CDs included no longer count unless shipped
Yeah… I know that. I said they SHOULD count no matter when they ship because it’s a direct physical purchase of the album.
You’re spending the money the day you purchase it, not the day you receive it.
May 19, 2022·1 replyWe've already done the vinyl thing and for years it didn't accurately represent what the true top album was. It only shows who has the most dedicated fans and a lot of bundles and digital single orders would get canceled after the first week. Barbs and BTS fans organized chargebacks and made alternate accounts to manipulate the sales and that is way worse than letting some pop artists get exposed when the real numbers come in. Video games and movies don't count preorders and tickets as sales until they finally release the product so vinyl preorders counting for music never really made sense
- May 19, 2022·1 replyHtownwolf
Source: trust me bro
It made waves because of how huge Drake is as an artist and because of the blatant abuse of bundles artists had been doing so far that year. Also, there was this:
To make matters worse, Kenny cancelled the bundles for the tour, which is what allowed him to do those numbers in the first place and Billboard allowed that so it made their charts look like a joke if they could be gamed on that level. That's why they quickly made changes that October.
- May 19, 2022·1 replyiGOAT
Drake was so upset he paid to have someone write this
Excuses work for Drake but no one else How can facts be excuses? Drake-haters really hate FACTS, what a dangerous way to live life lol
- May 19, 2022·1 reply
Exactly, this is why I’m saying they should count when people buy them when the album drops, even if they ship later.
- May 19, 2022thegreatdivine
It made waves because of how huge Drake is as an artist and because of the blatant abuse of bundles artists had been doing so far that year. Also, there was this:
https://twitter.com/chartdata/status/1259634323239690243https://twitter.com/chartdata/status/1262111899317125123To make matters worse, Kenny cancelled the bundles for the tour, which is what allowed him to do those numbers in the first place and Billboard allowed that so it made their charts look like a joke if they could be gamed on that level. That's why they quickly made changes that October.
But-b-b-but drake!
- May 19, 2022·1 replyshaleirose
Yeah… I know that. I said they SHOULD count no matter when they ship because it’s a direct physical purchase of the album.
You’re spending the money the day you purchase it, not the day you receive it.
This makes zero sense. Why digital sales/physical sales count the week of purchase is because you're getting the product at the store the day you buy it, whether that's an online or physical store. A CD/vinyl pre-order is literally that — a pre-order. It counts when it ships because countless orders can be placed and counted on the charts meanwhile fans never get the product because they were never shipped out in the first place so how is that fair to the fans and to the charts? That happened a lot of times before the rule change in 2020.
Some people still haven't gotten their folklore/After Hours albums till today.
- May 19, 2022·2 repliesshaleirose
Exactly, this is why I’m saying they should count when people buy them when the album drops, even if they ship later.
This will lead to an inaccuracy in consumption representation on the charts and that's why Billboard changed that rule. They won't be changing it back.
- May 19, 2022Zack From The Six
How can facts be excuses? Drake-haters really hate FACTS, what a dangerous way to live life lol
They hate Drake's numbers because they're irrefutable.
- May 19, 2022The Darkest Angel
We've already done the vinyl thing and for years it didn't accurately represent what the true top album was. It only shows who has the most dedicated fans and a lot of bundles and digital single orders would get canceled after the first week. Barbs and BTS fans organized chargebacks and made alternate accounts to manipulate the sales and that is way worse than letting some pop artists get exposed when the real numbers come in. Video games and movies don't count preorders and tickets as sales until they finally release the product so vinyl preorders counting for music never really made sense