May 15, 2022·1 reply
thegreatdivineJust to be clear, all albums lose a ton of streams on Saturday/Sunday. What will be telling is how much streams the songs off Kendrick's album lose and how/if they recover by Monday's update.
Also, it's Apple Music performance is probably what should be focused on seeing as that's where most of his streams will be coming from anyways.
I think I’m curious as people say Kendrick has no replay value so I’m curious if there’s even a bigger drop off than usual
- May 15, 2022·1 replyVisionary
These are people who force themselves to like it because some people they don’t know gave it a good number out of 10 or they got lots of statues for.
The kind of people who use critic reviews to convince themselves they enjoy an album they'll play less and less as time passes
- May 15, 2022Juninho CLB
I think I’m curious as people say Kendrick has no replay value so I’m curious if there’s even a bigger drop off than usual
From the reception I've seen to the album online, it'll be lucky to end up debuting with 315-330k. People keep saying the album is good and they like it but they're only going back to a few songs off it.
May 15, 2022·1 replyI miss the KenDrake alliance
- May 15, 2022·1 replythegreatdivine
The kind of people who use critic reviews to convince themselves they enjoy an album they'll play less and less as time passes
I used to be one of these dweebs when I was a teen Googling for GOAT albums. There are a lot of garbage albums I forced myself to
listen to just because they had great reviews.Then you transform to an Uber douche who knows how many Grammies so and so won and why it matters that they touched on a social issue I was told to care about.
The final transformation is when you start to think for yourself and realise if you overanalyse and listen to everything 600 times you’ll like it eventually and see things that aren’t even in the music.
Then you look around and actually ask why certain songs don’t have critical acclaim even though the whole culture is drenched with them and you realise none of it matters unless you LIKE the music 😂
May 15, 2022·1 reply
Bobby BalenciagaPeople always say this but don’t hold it up to other forms of art like music is inherently more disposable, nobody argues that Disney makes objectively the best movies, or EA’s FIFA games or yearly COD releases are objectively the best games, or disposable airport romance novels are objectively the best books
I don't necessarily think sales are a true objective measure for quality. However they factor in when making a quality argument.
The reason why it doesn't work for other types of media is because music is meant to be consumed over and over again. Using box office sales is like using first week sales for music. All that tells you is what is popular.
In 2022, your post fw sales are not a measure of how many new people are buying your music, it's tells you that people are listening/ replaying your music. And that's important when discussing music quality imo.
- May 15, 2022
Like the most I've ever seen a movie is 4 times. And I've never paid to see a movie more than 2 times. But I've listened to Hate Sleeping Alone hundreds of times.
- May 15, 2022·edited·2 repliesVisionary
I used to be one of these dweebs when I was a teen Googling for GOAT albums. There are a lot of garbage albums I forced myself to
listen to just because they had great reviews.Then you transform to an Uber douche who knows how many Grammies so and so won and why it matters that they touched on a social issue I was told to care about.
The final transformation is when you start to think for yourself and realise if you overanalyse and listen to everything 600 times you’ll like it eventually and see things that aren’t even in the music.
Then you look around and actually ask why certain songs don’t have critical acclaim even though the whole culture is drenched with them and you realise none of it matters unless you LIKE the music 😂
People are always on me for being numbers-obsessed but streaming being the primary way we all consume music now has been a revelation. The ONLY THING that matters is that at the end of the day, people are listening to your music (as soon as it drops but even more importantly, years down the line). As time passes, no one remembers how many awards a song/album won or how many units it sold. They just remember how it makes them feel and if they enjoy listening to it so at the end of the day, making music people can actually engage with is the #1 goal. Does that mean you have to make dumbass, bottom-of-the-barrel music? No, but what's the use of releasing something to the general public when that thing is something they can't engage with, especially over time?
That's where Drake ALWAYS wins imo. People love to go at him like all he makes are radio-friendly songs but that's a lie. Songs about relationships with women, friends, family also make up a lofty bulk of his discography and that matters, too. I'm just glad he's always known who he is as an artist and he's just focused on that his entire career.
If I was a Kendrick stan, I'd be pissed that my fave took 5 whole years off just to drop an album I won't care to listen to 3 months from now but to each their own. His fans will have all the critical acclaim in the world to help them sleep better at night lol.
- May 15, 2022MiguelMeyerz
I don't necessarily think sales are a true objective measure for quality. However they factor in when making a quality argument.
The reason why it doesn't work for other types of media is because music is meant to be consumed over and over again. Using box office sales is like using first week sales for music. All that tells you is what is popular.
In 2022, your post fw sales are not a measure of how many new people are buying your music, it's tells you that people are listening/ replaying your music. And that's important when discussing music quality imo.
This especially holds true in the music era when you don't own the music you consume but you have to willingly listen to said music for it to count for any artist.
Everyone talks about Drake's music being disposable but his albums have spent the most weeks charting on the Billboard 200 amongst every artist in history except the Beatles (and he'll be surpassing them in a few years). He charts 6 albums every week and has done so since 2017. That's when numbers matter because no one in their right mind will continue to consume content they legitimately think is bad, especially not months and years after said content has been released.
That's why nobody can even use the "the album is only doing well because of hits" argument for CLB. Drake only pushed 2 singles off that album and that happened in September last year. He pushed Way 2 Sexy/Girls Want Girls as singles on radio and abandoned that album so the fact that it's still in the top 10 9 months later is proof that despite what most people online are saying about the album, enough people are still listening to it and isn't that all you should care about as an artist? I know that if I was a musician, I wouldn't want critical acclaim if it meant people didn't actually listen to my music but that's just me.
- May 15, 2022·1 reply
FreightYou made me go see what they saying on r/KendrickLamar. Someone made a whole post about how the album is a “masterpiece” but they’re not a fan of it. Wtf kind of delusion is that
lmaoooo
May 15, 2022FreightYou made me go see what they saying on r/KendrickLamar. Someone made a whole post about how the album is a “masterpiece” but they’re not a fan of it. Wtf kind of delusion is that
- May 15, 2022·3 repliesthegreatdivine· edited
People are always on me for being numbers-obsessed but streaming being the primary way we all consume music now has been a revelation. The ONLY THING that matters is that at the end of the day, people are listening to your music (as soon as it drops but even more importantly, years down the line). As time passes, no one remembers how many awards a song/album won or how many units it sold. They just remember how it makes them feel and if they enjoy listening to it so at the end of the day, making music people can actually engage with is the #1 goal. Does that mean you have to make dumbass, bottom-of-the-barrel music? No, but what's the use of releasing something to the general public when that thing is something they can't engage with, especially over time?
That's where Drake ALWAYS wins imo. People love to go at him like all he makes are radio-friendly songs but that's a lie. Songs about relationships with women, friends, family also make up a lofty bulk of his discography and that matters, too. I'm just glad he's always known who he is as an artist and he's just focused on that his entire career.
If I was a Kendrick stan, I'd be pissed that my fave took 5 whole years off just to drop an album I won't care to listen to 3 months from now but to each their own. His fans will have all the critical acclaim in the world to help them sleep better at night lol.
You’re reading my mind bro. That’s exactly why Drake has unprecedented success. If you take the smoke and mirrors away (awards/critics) then it’s undeniable he’s mastered song creation. The only other guys on his level are like The Beatles.
I’m glad Drake himself always puts the artform and his love for music above everything. I’m one of those fans that doesn’t want him to create a so-called “cohesive body of work” (as if his albums aren’t that already) because then it would be forced music for the sake of other peoples opinions.
Drake knows what sounds good and when it comes to lyricism I don’t think there is anybody better. It’s hard to say that because music can be so different - how do you compare Sufjan Stevens with Drake really? - but I think he’s mastered it at a level no one can get near.
I think that’s what bothers Kanye deeply - he thought he was the standout artist for this time, and in some ways he is - and it’s why Kendrick needs 5 years and social justice issues to propel him.
How crazy to have an artist that basically never misses. Even with all the expectation and the consistency of him dropping he keeps rising to the occasion. It’s one thing he made to note in his Fader (iirc) interview where he’s saying he’s still trying to be the artist where you’re like “who is that?”.
May 15, 2022·1 replyIs heart pt 5 gonna chart ?
- May 15, 2022·3 repliesWRF
lmaoooo
“The meal I had last night was simply a masterpiece. The methods the chef used to prepare the dish were groundbreaking and experimental. The mix of tastes and ingredients was both complex and challenging. Tasted horribly but a masterpiece nonetheless”
- May 15, 2022Freight
You made me go see what they saying on r/KendrickLamar. Someone made a whole post about how the album is a “masterpiece” but they’re not a fan of it. Wtf kind of delusion is that
- May 15, 2022Freight
“The meal I had last night was simply a masterpiece. The methods the chef used to prepare the dish were groundbreaking and experimental. The mix of tastes and ingredients was both complex and challenging. Tasted horribly but a masterpiece nonetheless”
- May 15, 2022·1 replyVisionary
You’re reading my mind bro. That’s exactly why Drake has unprecedented success. If you take the smoke and mirrors away (awards/critics) then it’s undeniable he’s mastered song creation. The only other guys on his level are like The Beatles.
I’m glad Drake himself always puts the artform and his love for music above everything. I’m one of those fans that doesn’t want him to create a so-called “cohesive body of work” (as if his albums aren’t that already) because then it would be forced music for the sake of other peoples opinions.
Drake knows what sounds good and when it comes to lyricism I don’t think there is anybody better. It’s hard to say that because music can be so different - how do you compare Sufjan Stevens with Drake really? - but I think he’s mastered it at a level no one can get near.
I think that’s what bothers Kanye deeply - he thought he was the standout artist for this time, and in some ways he is - and it’s why Kendrick needs 5 years and social justice issues to propel him.
How crazy to have an artist that basically never misses. Even with all the expectation and the consistency of him dropping he keeps rising to the occasion. It’s one thing he made to note in his Fader (iirc) interview where he’s saying he’s still trying to be the artist where you’re like “who is that?”.
Drake on his WORST DAY is still giving you 35 points, 15 assists and 12 rebounds but he faces the dilemma of being so consistent and so dominant for so long that stats like that no longer impress anyone and so they dismiss it and take it for granted.
It's so many people who wish they had Drake's career and not just the success but they all wish they could make music that connects with people as much as his does lol. I just know it.
- May 15, 2022Freight
“The meal I had last night was simply a masterpiece. The methods the chef used to prepare the dish were groundbreaking and experimental. The mix of tastes and ingredients was both complex and challenging. Tasted horribly but a masterpiece nonetheless”
Ayo
- May 15, 2022Oblivion X
Is heart pt 5 gonna chart ?
Yeah, it will. It should debut somewhere in the top 20, maybe even top 10.
- May 15, 2022Freight
You made me go see what they saying on r/KendrickLamar. Someone made a whole post about how the album is a “masterpiece” but they’re not a fan of it. Wtf kind of delusion is that
Jesus
- May 15, 2022thegreatdivine
People are always on me for being numbers-obsessed but streaming being the primary way we all consume music now has been a revelation. The ONLY THING that matters is that at the end of the day, people are listening to your music (as soon as it drops but even more importantly, years down the line). As time passes, no one remembers how many awards a song/album won or how many units it sold. They just remember how it makes them feel and if they enjoy listening to it so at the end of the day, making music people can actually engage with is the #1 goal. Does that mean you have to make dumbass, bottom-of-the-barrel music? No, but what's the use of releasing something to the general public when that thing is something they can't engage with, especially over time?
That's where Drake ALWAYS wins imo. People love to go at him like all he makes are radio-friendly songs but that's a lie. Songs about relationships with women, friends, family also make up a lofty bulk of his discography and that matters, too. I'm just glad he's always known who he is as an artist and he's just focused on that his entire career.
If I was a Kendrick stan, I'd be pissed that my fave took 5 whole years off just to drop an album I won't care to listen to 3 months from now but to each their own. His fans will have all the critical acclaim in the world to help them sleep better at night lol.
u wont care to listen 3 months after
- May 15, 2022thegreatdivine
Drake on his WORST DAY is still giving you 35 points, 15 assists and 12 rebounds but he faces the dilemma of being so consistent and so dominant for so long that stats like that no longer impress anyone and so they dismiss it and take it for granted.
It's so many people who wish they had Drake's career and not just the success but they all wish they could make music that connects with people as much as his does lol. I just know it.
💯
I’m an artist, and every artist (every person) wants to connect with their audience in this way. It’s why they’re releasing their music to the public to begin with. To influence and get across a message.
I actually believe if Drake wanted to make a traditionally “conscious” album the type Kendrick stans fiend for he would do it far better than anyone else but what is the point? It’s actually less conscious the more meticulous and contrived it is.
Drake IS the most conscious rapper and he’s speaking about everyday normal things - now that is art, the highest sophistication is simplicity. You live with his music, grow up and remember the times with his music. It’s music you can listen to alone driving late at night or with your friends. It’s about universally human things.
I would stack “Vital” (unreleased track), a single track against a whole album of some of these so-called conscious artists. The funny thing is that most of these artists are secretly hella jealous. Damn I am and I haven’t spent my life trying to be an artist like some of these guys.
- May 15, 2022Freight
“The meal I had last night was simply a masterpiece. The methods the chef used to prepare the dish were groundbreaking and experimental. The mix of tastes and ingredients was both complex and challenging. Tasted horribly but a masterpiece nonetheless”
This is actually the perfect metaphor.
There are some people who will pay for an elaborate, expensive, Michelin star meal and pretend it was amazing because their pretentiousness can’t accept it was a waste.
Then there is a guy giving you delicious, real food on the street for a $5 that is superior in every way to the other meal.
People are so desperate to feel special and superior that they can’t enjoy something everybody else enjoys. It’s remarkably sad and ironic that so-called conscious artists have the least conscious fans. It’s all hype-beast bullshit and keeping up with the joneses.
- May 15, 2022·1 replyVisionary
You’re reading my mind bro. That’s exactly why Drake has unprecedented success. If you take the smoke and mirrors away (awards/critics) then it’s undeniable he’s mastered song creation. The only other guys on his level are like The Beatles.
I’m glad Drake himself always puts the artform and his love for music above everything. I’m one of those fans that doesn’t want him to create a so-called “cohesive body of work” (as if his albums aren’t that already) because then it would be forced music for the sake of other peoples opinions.
Drake knows what sounds good and when it comes to lyricism I don’t think there is anybody better. It’s hard to say that because music can be so different - how do you compare Sufjan Stevens with Drake really? - but I think he’s mastered it at a level no one can get near.
I think that’s what bothers Kanye deeply - he thought he was the standout artist for this time, and in some ways he is - and it’s why Kendrick needs 5 years and social justice issues to propel him.
How crazy to have an artist that basically never misses. Even with all the expectation and the consistency of him dropping he keeps rising to the occasion. It’s one thing he made to note in his Fader (iirc) interview where he’s saying he’s still trying to be the artist where you’re like “who is that?”.
the d***riding crazy on this one
- May 15, 2022LUKAS
I miss the KenDrake alliance
If they did another song both sides trying to get along would be funny