Jan 28·edited·1 replyThe issue with the "who is the better rapper" conversation is that with most mainstream rappers from the blog era and prior, ALL them dudes could spit when it came down to it. Once you establish that, it then becomes a discussion of whose technical style/approach you appreciate more but even that doesn't get weighed as much as who is able to just straight up make the better music.
Cole is an elite rhymer but so are Kendrick and Drake and they both make better music than Cole. Even a debate about Cole being that much more skilled technically than them isn't one he'd win easily lol.
Jan 28Free YoungBoyI would say it was family matters. He used every skill that made him great and threw it all into one diss track.
Even though personally I prefer push ups I think family matters was the track that showed why Drake is viewed the way he’s viewed as a rapper
Family Matters and Push Ups are witty and somewhat entertaining, but that’s about it.
His bars are never that crazy like niggas made it out to be for so many years. He got carried by the fact that he’s a hitmaker and good songwriter.
But lyricist, nooooooooooo
Jan 28Free YoungBoyYeah that song would’ve gotten any other rapper out of here.
Kendrick really stomped that song out in less than an hour. S*** is crazy. When you really think about it he saved niggas like Ross and Weeknd from getting fried cause nobody even cared about those shots once MTG came out
Man if Drake battled all them niggas without Kendrick that s*** woulda been wicked
he woulda torched em
Jan 28·1 replythegreatdivine· editedThe issue with the "who is the better rapper" conversation is that with most mainstream rappers from the blog era and prior, ALL them dudes could spit when it came down to it. Once you establish that, it then becomes a discussion of whose technical style/approach you appreciate more but even that doesn't get weighed as much as who is able to just straight up make the better music.
Cole is an elite rhymer but so are Kendrick and Drake and they both make better music than Cole. Even a debate about Cole being that much more skilled technically than them isn't one he'd win easily lol.
I just listened to Cole's new EP / mixtape and it was cool, but nothing that's blowing the entire game out of the water..
I think there are a few verses where Cole genuinely leaves earth or just goes in on a concept that really excites me, but I think 80% of his discog isn't really that Amazing in terms of sheer bars
Jan 28Free YoungBoyYeah that song would’ve gotten any other rapper out of here.
Kendrick really stomped that song out in less than an hour. S*** is crazy. When you really think about it he saved niggas like Ross and Weeknd from getting fried cause nobody even cared about those shots once MTG came out
Kendrick replying within 30 mins AND saving other rappers in the process? Kendrick is a Good Samaritan
- Jan 28·1 reply
XANTAUntil Cole can make an album that shows off his lyrical abilities AND be something that you wanna hear more than just once or twice he will always be a 3rd place ass artist
Sorry Cole stans but thats just how it is
It will never change no matter what
Their legacies are solidified
- Jan 28·1 replyFree YoungBoy
ghostwriter or writer, whatever term you wanna use, he can’t be compared to Cole because Cole wrote all his stuff
Well, actually, you don't know that any rapper wrote all their stuff. All you know are those who have claimed to do that but many OG rappers in latter years of their careers have come out to admit that they've received assistance at one point or the other with some bars lol.
Something even happened in this A$AP Rocky release week that people casually ignored. Rocky ignored that DaBaby had helped him with some lyrics and everyone just ignored that s*** lmao.
Jan 28·1 replyJ. Cole took himself out the conversation and admitted it, he’s fighting his own ego. nigga in a battle with Jesus, not rap lol
- Jan 28
v003Nigga I don't care about your opinions
You was defending cops in the Drake thread
???
- OPJan 28·1 replymr get dough
It will never change no matter what
Their legacies are solidified
What legacies?
There is no objective order they ranked in
- OPJan 28·1 replyValentine
J. Cole took himself out the conversation and admitted it, he’s fighting his own ego. nigga in a battle with Jesus, not rap lol
I remember you was conflicted
- Jan 28·1 replyv003
I remember you was conflicted
same album that had Momma
- Jan 28·1 replyv003
What legacies?
There is no objective order they ranked in
What I’m saying is when people are rating them in the future the work that Kendrick and Drake will be rated off of is already out
However you rank them isnt going to change
- Jan 28·1 replyValentine
same album that had Momma
REAL RAPS
- Jan 28XANTA
Until Cole can make an album that shows off his lyrical abilities AND be something that you wanna hear more than just once or twice he will always be a 3rd place ass artist
Sorry Cole stans but thats just how it is
I think Born Sinner and FHD were that
but I feel you
- Jan 28·1 replythegreatdivine
Well, actually, you don't know that any rapper wrote all their stuff. All you know are those who have claimed to do that but many OG rappers in latter years of their careers have come out to admit that they've received assistance at one point or the other with some bars lol.
Something even happened in this A$AP Rocky release week that people casually ignored. Rocky ignored that DaBaby had helped him with some lyrics and everyone just ignored that s*** lmao.
I’m gonna believe Cole wrote his stuff until he gives me a reason to believe otherwise
- Jan 28mr get dough
REAL RAPS
on the dead homies
- OPJan 28·1 replymr get dough
What I’m saying is when people are rating them in the future the work that Kendrick and Drake will be rated off of is already out
However you rank them isnt going to change
Oh yeah I probably agree with you
Also kind of unfair as they aging can't expect them to keep dropping exciting s***
- Jan 28·2 replies
Best pen in the game and I'm not even sure if he could outrap his own protege JID on a track rn
- Gosh 😹Jan 28
Might need to make the Huge Cole Fan account if they keep trippin
- OPJan 28XANTA
Best pen in the game and I'm not even sure if he could outrap his own protege JID on a track rn
JID hard for sure but outside of his flow he not really a lyricist like that. He can be at times but not really what he focuses on tbh
- Jan 28·1 replywhippet volverse
I just listened to Cole's new EP / mixtape and it was cool, but nothing that's blowing the entire game out of the water..
I think there are a few verses where Cole genuinely leaves earth or just goes in on a concept that really excites me, but I think 80% of his discog isn't really that Amazing in terms of sheer bars
Look, man. Cole has always been nice and he has somehow managed to get even better as time has passed but it doesn't weigh as much in these conversations because he hasn't found a way to translate that into making better records. I feel like while Kendrick was a more raw, lyrical type A rapper at the beginning of his career, he eventually learned how to fine-tune his skill set into being able to make better records while not losing his edge. Drake has done the same but only Cole is still only prioritizing just pure bars over musicality.
- Jan 28v003
Oh yeah I probably agree with you
Also kind of unfair as they aging can't expect them to keep dropping exciting s***
I’m not saying it as a criticism I’m just saying I don’t think s*** is gonna change much even if they drop more duds or even classics
- Jan 28Free YoungBoy
I’m gonna believe Cole wrote his stuff until he gives me a reason to believe otherwise
Fair enough.