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  • Dec 4, 2022
    sniper

    bro what

    i get what dude is saying but like no bro

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    cold mountain

    it's really not that challenging.

    I get that it's a lot of words, but I 100% believe u can understand it.

    naw man you're posting nonsense

  • Dec 4, 2022
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    cold mountain

    it's really not that challenging.

    I get that it's a lot of words, but I 100% believe u can understand it.

    Its a lot of words and u dont even use half of them correctly

    “I like hitler” isnt a dogwhistle its a loud speaker lmfao

  • Dec 4, 2022
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    cold mountain

    to me, it's pretty obvious that Ye doesn't actually align with Nazi beliefs, and it's pretty obvious that a lot of the "nazi" stuff that has the media bugging out isn't actual endorsement of Nazi ideas, it's all just dogwhistles. The idea is that if you actually look at what he's saying, the guy's not endorsing Hitler. But to the neo-nazi's ears, he's endorsing Hitler. (Unfortunately, nobody is actually looking at what he's saying and everyone just thinks he's endorsing Hitler, so it's not actually a very effective dogwhistle)

    This use of dogwhistles, the sort of flirting with the extreme right, it's all part of Ye's plan to run Republican. He has to out-Trump Trump. And how does he do this? By first stealing Trump's core base, aka racists and Q-Anon. That's phase 1. I'm sure he'll keep up the antics all the way until election day, but he'll probably make a lot more sense to normal people in later phases. Remember, the messaging he's doing right now, you are not the target of. Targeting you comes way later.

    Really, the debate we should be having is about whether or not it's ethically okay to do the whole flirting with extremists and using dogwhistles thing. I'm sure Ye's got this great plan for once he gets into office, to him that's probably the ultimate good. In his mind, the greater good of changing the world for the better as president is worth the lesser evils of using extremists and dogwhistles. I don't like this thinking. I agree with you all that Ye's doing some bad s*** rn, even if it's not in the same way you're thinking about it.

    this type of thinking we could have got away with (as dumb as we were) during 2018 but this s*** is beyond dangerous, it’s not worth giving it this much thought fr

  • Dec 4, 2022

    like he’s obviously not a white supremacist but regardless he’s using yt supremacist and fascist tactics to gain political leverage

    that’s quite literally evil no matter what kinda platform he’s gonna have

    ur whole argument also falls apart when you realize he has no platform. he doesn’t even have a simplified layman’s version of a plan to get what he wants

    he’s brain dead bro give it up

  • Dec 4, 2022
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    HaroldsChicken

    You can say you believe he doesn't really hold the beliefs. As in he isn't truly a Nazi who is violent in anyway but he is definitely contrarian and trolling people to a degree where nothing is gained. Even if at one point he could say he was trying to say something about community, peace, media, his original hospitalization he kind of lost all of that when he went so abundantly far. If he had started from the beginning with names of the people rather than call it jewish business practices. If he had made clear he was pro choice but he wasn't calling on it to be the only or best way. If he didn't make a lot of what he is doing the vision of God or "2024 is my time". Perhaps there would more be something here. However he has focused this on basically a death wish of continuously trolling and asking people to pull up to him and do something about it. In his own words "shooting up the school after being bullied".

    the ambiguity and controversy is literally the whole point though

    Imagine you're in his position. You want to become president. You have the media clout to get your name into headlines, and if you play your cards right, you could end up on stage during the republican primaries (of course, you know the DNC is rigged so you'd have no chance that way). Okay, well your biggest opponent will be Donald Trump. Basically, if you want to even have a chance, you will have to appeal to Trump voters more than Trump.

    Keep that in mind when you're trying to understand what's going on. Yes, Ye could've been much clearer with his wording, he could have run a straightforward, positive, nice little Christian campaign. But tell me honestly, would that have any chance at all of beating Trump in the Republican primaries?

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    Headass

    Its a lot of words and u dont even use half of them correctly

    “I like hitler” isnt a dogwhistle its a loud speaker lmfao

    Context clues. Yes it's not how we'd traditionally use the word "dogwhistle". Ye means something pretty uncontroversial, but the way he's saying it makes it sound very very controversial. Usually the two are flipped, I get it. What's much more important to me is the aspect of Ye saying something that is interpreted by extremists as endorsement but still has plausible deniability. I couldn't think of a better word to use than "dogwhistle". I could have said "doublespeak" but that's more for institutional lingo used by common people, I'm talking about misleading speech used by political figures to gain power, which is definitely more in line with "dogwhistle".

    I was hoping you could figure that out yourself. Honestly, I'm pretty sure you did but chose to nitpick regardless.

  • Dec 4, 2022
    huey p rxcan

    this type of thinking we could have got away with (as dumb as we were) during 2018 but this s*** is beyond dangerous, it’s not worth giving it this much thought fr

    yes it definitely is worth giving thought to. Someone throws a wrench in the system and your immediate response is "don't talk about it, don't even think about it". That's a huge tell that some ideological f***ery is going on. I think it's always worth giving thought to the ideology you operate under, especially when there's some f***ery going on.

  • Dec 4, 2022
    yesac

    its performance art

    only in the sense that all good politicians are performance artists.

  • Dec 4, 2022

    streets saying kanye going on adin ross stream?

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    cold mountain

    to me, it's pretty obvious that Ye doesn't actually align with Nazi beliefs, and it's pretty obvious that a lot of the "nazi" stuff that has the media bugging out isn't actual endorsement of Nazi ideas, it's all just dogwhistles. The idea is that if you actually look at what he's saying, the guy's not endorsing Hitler. But to the neo-nazi's ears, he's endorsing Hitler. (Unfortunately, nobody is actually looking at what he's saying and everyone just thinks he's endorsing Hitler, so it's not actually a very effective dogwhistle)

    This use of dogwhistles, the sort of flirting with the extreme right, it's all part of Ye's plan to run Republican. He has to out-Trump Trump. And how does he do this? By first stealing Trump's core base, aka racists and Q-Anon. That's phase 1. I'm sure he'll keep up the antics all the way until election day, but he'll probably make a lot more sense to normal people in later phases. Remember, the messaging he's doing right now, you are not the target of. Targeting you comes way later.

    Really, the debate we should be having is about whether or not it's ethically okay to do the whole flirting with extremists and using dogwhistles thing. I'm sure Ye's got this great plan for once he gets into office, to him that's probably the ultimate good. In his mind, the greater good of changing the world for the better as president is worth the lesser evils of using extremists and dogwhistles. I don't like this thinking. I agree with you all that Ye's doing some bad s*** rn, even if it's not in the same way you're thinking about it.

    sorry brother I think he very obviously endorsed Hitler

  • Dec 4, 2022
    uhh

    naw man you're posting nonsense

    again, it's really not that challenging. If there's something that doesn't make sense to you, point it out. Maybe I can clarify.

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    cold mountain

    Context clues. Yes it's not how we'd traditionally use the word "dogwhistle". Ye means something pretty uncontroversial, but the way he's saying it makes it sound very very controversial. Usually the two are flipped, I get it. What's much more important to me is the aspect of Ye saying something that is interpreted by extremists as endorsement but still has plausible deniability. I couldn't think of a better word to use than "dogwhistle". I could have said "doublespeak" but that's more for institutional lingo used by common people, I'm talking about misleading speech used by political figures to gain power, which is definitely more in line with "dogwhistle".

    I was hoping you could figure that out yourself. Honestly, I'm pretty sure you did but chose to nitpick regardless.

    Im not nitpicking, the whole story ur running with is all off

    He’s mentally unwell, this isnt a political chess move

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    ngrace

    sorry brother I think he very obviously endorsed Hitler

    he endorsed Hitler, but only in the sense that he endorses absolutely everyone and everything. It's just continuation of the "love everyone, even love your enemy" doctrine. Again, the fact that he follows "I love Hitler" up with "I love the Jews" should make that pretty obvious, right?

  • Dec 4, 2022
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    cold mountain

    he endorsed Hitler, but only in the sense that he endorses absolutely everyone and everything. It's just continuation of the "love everyone, even love your enemy" doctrine. Again, the fact that he follows "I love Hitler" up with "I love the Jews" should make that pretty obvious, right?

    Then he has to be clearer that Hitler and the Nazis are "the enemy" because when he says things like he thought Hitler and the Nazis were cool and that he IS a Nazi and that he loveesssss Hitler, it doesnt seem that way.

    I understand what you're saying but imo the statements are just as gross, especially taken with Holocaust denial and antisemitism and alt-right associations. The Love Everyone bit doesn't save this

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    Headass

    Im not nitpicking, the whole story ur running with is all off

    He’s mentally unwell, this isnt a political chess move

    so you're telling me you're convinced this isn't planned out?

    Ye's a presidential candidate. He's been planning a presidential campaign for years at this point and he's got a team of political strategists working for him, some of whom planned Trump's 2016 campaign. Right when Ye launches his presidential campaign, he gets himself on every single news outlet using remarkably similar methods to Trump in 2016.
    But I suppose that's all just coincidence?

  • Dec 4, 2022
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    One thing is for certain, Ye is not worth this much brainpower

  • Dec 4, 2022
    yesac

    One thing is for certain, Ye is not worth this much brainpower

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    ngrace

    Then he has to be clearer that Hitler and the Nazis are "the enemy" because when he says things like he thought Hitler and the Nazis were cool and that he IS a Nazi and that he loveesssss Hitler, it doesnt seem that way.

    I understand what you're saying but imo the statements are just as gross, especially taken with Holocaust denial and antisemitism and alt-right associations. The Love Everyone bit doesn't save this

    again, not being clearer is the entire point of what he's doing rn.

    the entire strategy rests on being vague. Remember, the immediate goal of his campaign right now is to steal Trump's most passionate voters, aka racists and Q-anon. Tell me honestly, does he even have the slimmest chance of doing this if he's clear about his (honestly, pretty basic) positions?

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    cold mountain

    again, not being clearer is the entire point of what he's doing rn.

    the entire strategy rests on being vague. Remember, the immediate goal of his campaign right now is to steal Trump's most passionate voters, aka racists and Q-anon. Tell me honestly, does he even have the slimmest chance of doing this if he's clear about his (honestly, pretty basic) positions?

    Considering his rhetoric is a literal alt-right caricature ill agree with your premise for the sake of the argument

    How would that be the most effective strategy? I genuinely don't believe he can garner any actual political support outside of a very small minority of racists and white supremacists and conspiracy theorists.

  • Dec 4, 2022
    Yayo

    These were the bars he was cooking on Love Everyone before he passed it onto Nas

    https://streamable.com/rbtjsv

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    ngrace

    Considering his rhetoric is a literal alt-right caricature ill agree with your premise for the sake of the argument

    How would that be the most effective strategy? I genuinely don't believe he can garner any actual political support outside of a very small minority of racists and white supremacists and conspiracy theorists.

    it's not the entire strategy. He has to get the media unequivocally against him. If he wants to pull off the Trump thing again, he must make every liberal just completely despise him. He must become the antithesis of the democratic party's ideology. Basically, he must guarantee that the status quo will do its very best to sell the act when he runs a campaign on being anti status quo. The idea is to run as the anti-DNC candidate, even more anti-DNC than Trump.

    Once he has that guarantee, he can move on to targeting republican moderates, and then finally he can target fence-sitters. But without first securing Trump's base, he has no realistic chance.

    Honestly, even if he does manage to secure Trump's base, there's still not a realistic chance, but it would give Ye the best odds he could possibly have, imo.

    I'm assuming you're a liberal who lives in a liberal area and talks to a lot of liberals. If this strategy makes you hate Kanye, then it's working. You have to keep that in mind when assessing it.

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    cold mountain

    the ambiguity and controversy is literally the whole point though

    Imagine you're in his position. You want to become president. You have the media clout to get your name into headlines, and if you play your cards right, you could end up on stage during the republican primaries (of course, you know the DNC is rigged so you'd have no chance that way). Okay, well your biggest opponent will be Donald Trump. Basically, if you want to even have a chance, you will have to appeal to Trump voters more than Trump.

    Keep that in mind when you're trying to understand what's going on. Yes, Ye could've been much clearer with his wording, he could have run a straightforward, positive, nice little Christian campaign. But tell me honestly, would that have any chance at all of beating Trump in the Republican primaries?

    Oh I get the ambiguity and controversy attention is the point. In his mind its "Dragon Energy" and same come up as Trump used to win 2020 to basically say everything against the "left controlled media" but in this case "Jewish controlled media". So he is 100% fishing for reaction specifically from jewish people or more specifically zionist so if he is killed, silenced or loses money he can say "see I told you so". He doesn't actually want to become preisdent so much as show that even Presidents are controlled by "handlers" or other people in power.

    He is willing to die to communicate this message. Already feels like even if he is in his childrens lives they are controlled by things like tik tok, algorithms and "handlers". He wanted to live a life isolated from many of these things in Wyoming or Chicago. Truthfully LA wasn't the place for him to live this long or being on a "reality" tv show because it essentially bubbled out into him questioning all of the reality and the producers of reality.

    Now he is on a warpath because he feels(I don't know if true some of what he says seems true about Hillary or people contacting his wife to get into politics). Once he saw government people influencing Kim to get into politics or for their agendas or investing him skims he became hyper paranoid that if she wasn't telling him that what else was she not telling him. The unfortunate thing being Kim ironically as someone on reality tv was his main gravity and touch with reality. Losing her. Losing the kids in a way. Losing virgil. Losing his mom.

    All lead to to subsequent detachments from reality where the main people around him are there to make money, a feature, clout or just artist. Very few are able to have a fully human conversation with him where he doesn't believe they are owned or controlled.

    In short I get what you are saying but this will in no way win him a presidency or even a primary