Dec 4, 2022·1 reply
YayoThese were the bars he was cooking on Love Everyone before he passed it onto Nas
https://streamable.com/rbtjsv
is that “gary” line from fallout 3 an actual sample or a leak watermark?
Dec 4, 2022·3 replies
FriesSomeone actually challenging Kanye would be good, Adin's brain seeks clout like a rat seeks cheese, he wouldn't have the capacity to counter any of the dumbass nonsense Ye says
Ye stormed off on tim pool u think hes gonna have any respect for a word that comes from hasan piker
- Dec 4, 2022Yayo
These were the bars he was cooking on Love Everyone before he passed it onto Nas
https://streamable.com/rbtjsv
The f***
- Dec 4, 2022Headass
Ye stormed off on tim pool u think hes gonna have any respect for a word that comes from hasan piker
Hasan is more physically intimidating but honestly Ye walking off ASAP would be a good thing because he won’t have an opportunity to spread his garbage for an extended period of time to an impressionable audience primarily made of white kids that are mad about the world
Dec 4, 2022·1 replyYayoThese were the bars he was cooking on Love Everyone before he passed it onto Nas
https://streamable.com/rbtjsv
holy s*** he’s an edgy teenager
Dec 4, 2022YayoThese were the bars he was cooking on Love Everyone before he passed it onto Nas
https://streamable.com/rbtjsv
its silly but its not that shocking or crazy, Justin Vernon being on the song is funny
Dec 4, 2022·1 replyhuey p rxcanit is far more sinister to spew out hateful rhetoric like this for the sake of political gain, than to speak your views because you truly believe them
it’s deplorable
no, i definitely disagree
It would be terrible to have someone use hateful rhetoric to get political power and then use that power to do hateful s***
I'd rather have someone use hateful rhetoric to get political power and then use that power to do something good
one can only hope Kanye's thinking along the lines of the 2nd scenario
- Dec 4, 2022·1 replyHeadass
Ye stormed off on tim pool u think hes gonna have any respect for a word that comes from hasan piker
He'd probably walk off, but nobody's actually challenged him on this stuff properly to his face, same with Fuentes, all the hosts have been lapping him up
- Dec 4, 2022sniper
is that “gary” line from fallout 3 an actual sample or a leak watermark?
Leak tag
- Dec 4, 2022·1 replycold mountain
no, i definitely disagree
It would be terrible to have someone use hateful rhetoric to get political power and then use that power to do hateful s***
I'd rather have someone use hateful rhetoric to get political power and then use that power to do something good
one can only hope Kanye's thinking along the lines of the 2nd scenario
its performance art
Dec 4, 2022He really f***ed his whole legacy up. All those string songs. S***..
Dec 4, 2022·1 replyhuey p rxcanholy s*** he’s an edgy teenager
I'm sure it's an anti-gun song. He was tweeting about how the girl from Parkland with the shaved head was his hero during the Love Everything era.
- Dec 4, 2022·3 replies
NunTheWiserIdk how anybody can watch this infowars s*** and try and say that the media is grossly misrepresenting his views this is some sad copium
okay, here's what I think Ye's stance actually is.
He believes we should love everybody, including our enemies. This isn't a very controversial thing to say, phrased like that, right? I mean Jesus said it, it's in the bible. We've all heard it many times.
But what does loving everybody actually mean? Well, it's simple. It just means you should love absolutely everybody, even your worst enemies. So yes, in practice, that does mean you should love Hitler. Obviously, that's a different use of the word love than what we're used to. Usually, we assume that when you say you love someone or something, you're fully endorsing said person or thing, but I think it's pretty clear that's not the case here. Jesus didn't ask us to agree with our enemies or fully endorse them, he just told us to love them. Maybe we can understand that as seeing them as people, treating them as ends in themselves, etc.
The point is, in this case, love ≠ endorsement.
When Ye says "I love Hitler" he immediately follows that with "and I love the Jews". It's pretty clear to me that he's saying this as an extension of the whole "love everybody, even your enemy" thing.
To me, it's pretty clear that Ye isn't saying that he endorses or agrees with Hitler. To come away from this thinking "Ye is pro-Hitler" outside of the context of "Ye is pro-everything-and-everyone", is simply a misreading of the situation, a fundamental misunderstanding.
Yes i know, long post. But this a tricky topic, it needs nuanced discussion, and that means long posts. If this post is too long for you, don't tell me. I do not care if it's too long for you.
- Dec 4, 2022cold mountain
okay, here's what I think Ye's stance actually is.
He believes we should love everybody, including our enemies. This isn't a very controversial thing to say, phrased like that, right? I mean Jesus said it, it's in the bible. We've all heard it many times.
But what does loving everybody actually mean? Well, it's simple. It just means you should love absolutely everybody, even your worst enemies. So yes, in practice, that does mean you should love Hitler. Obviously, that's a different use of the word love than what we're used to. Usually, we assume that when you say you love someone or something, you're fully endorsing said person or thing, but I think it's pretty clear that's not the case here. Jesus didn't ask us to agree with our enemies or fully endorse them, he just told us to love them. Maybe we can understand that as seeing them as people, treating them as ends in themselves, etc.
The point is, in this case, love ≠ endorsement.
When Ye says "I love Hitler" he immediately follows that with "and I love the Jews". It's pretty clear to me that he's saying this as an extension of the whole "love everybody, even your enemy" thing.
To me, it's pretty clear that Ye isn't saying that he endorses or agrees with Hitler. To come away from this thinking "Ye is pro-Hitler" outside of the context of "Ye is pro-everything-and-everyone", is simply a misreading of the situation, a fundamental misunderstanding.
Yes i know, long post. But this a tricky topic, it needs nuanced discussion, and that means long posts. If this post is too long for you, don't tell me. I do not care if it's too long for you.
I can see where you're coming from, but he then went on to dispute the Holocaust, I think Nick's been in his ear if he didn't already actually have denialist beliefs
- Dec 4, 2022cold mountain
okay, here's what I think Ye's stance actually is.
He believes we should love everybody, including our enemies. This isn't a very controversial thing to say, phrased like that, right? I mean Jesus said it, it's in the bible. We've all heard it many times.
But what does loving everybody actually mean? Well, it's simple. It just means you should love absolutely everybody, even your worst enemies. So yes, in practice, that does mean you should love Hitler. Obviously, that's a different use of the word love than what we're used to. Usually, we assume that when you say you love someone or something, you're fully endorsing said person or thing, but I think it's pretty clear that's not the case here. Jesus didn't ask us to agree with our enemies or fully endorse them, he just told us to love them. Maybe we can understand that as seeing them as people, treating them as ends in themselves, etc.
The point is, in this case, love ≠ endorsement.
When Ye says "I love Hitler" he immediately follows that with "and I love the Jews". It's pretty clear to me that he's saying this as an extension of the whole "love everybody, even your enemy" thing.
To me, it's pretty clear that Ye isn't saying that he endorses or agrees with Hitler. To come away from this thinking "Ye is pro-Hitler" outside of the context of "Ye is pro-everything-and-everyone", is simply a misreading of the situation, a fundamental misunderstanding.
Yes i know, long post. But this a tricky topic, it needs nuanced discussion, and that means long posts. If this post is too long for you, don't tell me. I do not care if it's too long for you.
Eh, let’s agree to disagree. Nothing about this topic is tricky for me.
Dec 4, 2022·1 replyHeadassYe stormed off on tim pool u think hes gonna have any respect for a word that comes from hasan piker
who cares if he "storms off". the more examples of him looking stupid and childish the better
- Dec 4, 2022capnchronic
I'm sure it's an anti-gun song. He was tweeting about how the girl from Parkland with the shaved head was his hero during the Love Everything era.
how the f*** did he go from that to now
- Dec 4, 2022·5 replies
My Jewish MMA friend who was a die hard Kanye stan taking this really hard posted a video of himself crying on IG damn you Ye
- Dec 4, 2022·1 replyMitch Baker
My Jewish MMA friend who was a die hard Kanye stan taking this really hard posted a video of himself crying on IG damn you Ye
🫂
- Dec 4, 2022sniper
🫂
dude used to come to the gym we worked at everyday playing donda demos he’s devastated.
- Dec 4, 2022uhh
who cares if he "storms off". the more examples of him looking stupid and childish the better
Hes already got d***riders agreeing with him, i need to see him get owned in the marketplace of ideas thoroughly
- Dec 4, 2022·edited·3 repliescold mountain
okay, here's what I think Ye's stance actually is.
He believes we should love everybody, including our enemies. This isn't a very controversial thing to say, phrased like that, right? I mean Jesus said it, it's in the bible. We've all heard it many times.
But what does loving everybody actually mean? Well, it's simple. It just means you should love absolutely everybody, even your worst enemies. So yes, in practice, that does mean you should love Hitler. Obviously, that's a different use of the word love than what we're used to. Usually, we assume that when you say you love someone or something, you're fully endorsing said person or thing, but I think it's pretty clear that's not the case here. Jesus didn't ask us to agree with our enemies or fully endorse them, he just told us to love them. Maybe we can understand that as seeing them as people, treating them as ends in themselves, etc.
The point is, in this case, love ≠ endorsement.
When Ye says "I love Hitler" he immediately follows that with "and I love the Jews". It's pretty clear to me that he's saying this as an extension of the whole "love everybody, even your enemy" thing.
To me, it's pretty clear that Ye isn't saying that he endorses or agrees with Hitler. To come away from this thinking "Ye is pro-Hitler" outside of the context of "Ye is pro-everything-and-everyone", is simply a misreading of the situation, a fundamental misunderstanding.
Yes i know, long post. But this a tricky topic, it needs nuanced discussion, and that means long posts. If this post is too long for you, don't tell me. I do not care if it's too long for you.
to me, it's pretty obvious that Ye doesn't actually align with Nazi beliefs, and it's pretty obvious that a lot of the "nazi" stuff that has the media bugging out isn't actual endorsement of Nazi ideas, it's all just dogwhistles. The idea is that if you actually look at what he's saying, the guy's not endorsing Hitler. But to the neo-nazi's ears, he's endorsing Hitler. (Unfortunately, nobody is actually looking at what he's saying and everyone just thinks he's endorsing Hitler, so it's not actually a very effective dogwhistle)
This use of dogwhistles, the sort of flirting with the extreme right, it's all part of Ye's plan to run Republican. He has to out-Trump Trump. And how does he do this? By first stealing Trump's core base, aka racists and Q-Anon. That's phase 1. I'm sure he'll keep up the antics all the way until election day, but he'll probably make a lot more sense to normal people in later phases. Remember, the messaging he's doing right now, you are not the target of. Targeting you comes way later.
Really, the debate we should be having is about whether or not it's ethically okay to do the whole flirting with extremists and using dogwhistles thing. I'm sure Ye's got this great plan for once he gets into office, to him that's probably the ultimate good. In his mind, the greater good of changing the world for the better as president is worth the lesser evils of using extremists and dogwhistles. I don't like this thinking. I agree with you all that Ye's doing some bad s*** rn, even if it's not in the same way you're thinking about it.
- Dec 4, 2022·2 repliescold mountain· edited
to me, it's pretty obvious that Ye doesn't actually align with Nazi beliefs, and it's pretty obvious that a lot of the "nazi" stuff that has the media bugging out isn't actual endorsement of Nazi ideas, it's all just dogwhistles. The idea is that if you actually look at what he's saying, the guy's not endorsing Hitler. But to the neo-nazi's ears, he's endorsing Hitler. (Unfortunately, nobody is actually looking at what he's saying and everyone just thinks he's endorsing Hitler, so it's not actually a very effective dogwhistle)
This use of dogwhistles, the sort of flirting with the extreme right, it's all part of Ye's plan to run Republican. He has to out-Trump Trump. And how does he do this? By first stealing Trump's core base, aka racists and Q-Anon. That's phase 1. I'm sure he'll keep up the antics all the way until election day, but he'll probably make a lot more sense to normal people in later phases. Remember, the messaging he's doing right now, you are not the target of. Targeting you comes way later.
Really, the debate we should be having is about whether or not it's ethically okay to do the whole flirting with extremists and using dogwhistles thing. I'm sure Ye's got this great plan for once he gets into office, to him that's probably the ultimate good. In his mind, the greater good of changing the world for the better as president is worth the lesser evils of using extremists and dogwhistles. I don't like this thinking. I agree with you all that Ye's doing some bad s*** rn, even if it's not in the same way you're thinking about it.
bro what
- Dec 4, 2022·2 repliessniper
bro what
it's really not that challenging.
I get that it's a lot of words, but I 100% believe u can understand it.