Dec 4, 2022·edited·1 replycold mountainit's not the entire strategy. He has to get the media unequivocally against him. If he wants to pull off the Trump thing again, he must make every liberal just completely despise him. He must become the antithesis of the democratic party's ideology. Basically, he must guarantee that the status quo will do its very best to sell the act when he runs a campaign on being anti status quo. The idea is to run as the anti-DNC candidate, even more anti-DNC than Trump.
Once he has that guarantee, he can move on to targeting republican moderates, and then finally he can target fence-sitters. But without first securing Trump's base, he has no realistic chance.
Honestly, even if he does manage to secure Trump's base, there's still not a realistic chance, but it would give Ye the best odds he could possibly have, imo.
I'm assuming you're a liberal who lives in a liberal area and talks to a lot of liberals. If this strategy makes you hate Kanye, then it's working. You have to keep that in mind when assessing it.
I think many people on KTT would be surprised at how much Americans tend to hate "the system" or the "Deep State". A candidate who can earnestly show voters that he's fully anti-system unlike all the other candidates, who are "actually" pro-Deep-State, will have a decent chance at securing a Republican nomination. This is how Trump was able to become president despite having barely any political experience. Kanye, someone who also has barely any political experience and also has a level of celebrity similar to Trump will obviously try to replicate that strategy.
Dec 4, 2022ghost town lowkey hittin extra diff
- Dec 4, 2022·1 reply
HaroldsChickenOh I get the ambiguity and controversy attention is the point. In his mind its "Dragon Energy" and same come up as Trump used to win 2020 to basically say everything against the "left controlled media" but in this case "Jewish controlled media". So he is 100% fishing for reaction specifically from jewish people or more specifically zionist so if he is killed, silenced or loses money he can say "see I told you so". He doesn't actually want to become preisdent so much as show that even Presidents are controlled by "handlers" or other people in power.
He is willing to die to communicate this message. Already feels like even if he is in his childrens lives they are controlled by things like tik tok, algorithms and "handlers". He wanted to live a life isolated from many of these things in Wyoming or Chicago. Truthfully LA wasn't the place for him to live this long or being on a "reality" tv show because it essentially bubbled out into him questioning all of the reality and the producers of reality.
Now he is on a warpath because he feels(I don't know if true some of what he says seems true about Hillary or people contacting his wife to get into politics). Once he saw government people influencing Kim to get into politics or for their agendas or investing him skims he became hyper paranoid that if she wasn't telling him that what else was she not telling him. The unfortunate thing being Kim ironically as someone on reality tv was his main gravity and touch with reality. Losing her. Losing the kids in a way. Losing virgil. Losing his mom.
All lead to to subsequent detachments from reality where the main people around him are there to make money, a feature, clout or just artist. Very few are able to have a fully human conversation with him where he doesn't believe they are owned or controlled.
In short I get what you are saying but this will in no way win him a presidency or even a primary
s*** man, maybe you're right.
that's also entirely possible. If I was in that situation though, I wouldn't go on to pay people actual money to be my campaign strategists.
we will just have to wait and see how this plays out to see if either of us is right
- Dec 4, 2022·1 replycold mountain· edited
I think many people on KTT would be surprised at how much Americans tend to hate "the system" or the "Deep State". A candidate who can earnestly show voters that he's fully anti-system unlike all the other candidates, who are "actually" pro-Deep-State, will have a decent chance at securing a Republican nomination. This is how Trump was able to become president despite having barely any political experience. Kanye, someone who also has barely any political experience and also has a level of celebrity similar to Trump will obviously try to replicate that strategy.
He is too risky for republicans to run though partially due to the previous mental health issues and unpredictableness. The rest of what you are saying I agree with and get. He did know from the beginning even in 2015 that he can't really run as a democrat. Sacramento rant was already him hinting to the idea of handlers and controllers within all facets of industry.
- Dec 4, 2022·1 replyHaroldsChicken
He is too risky for republicans to run though partially due to the previous mental health issues and unpredictableness. The rest of what you are saying I agree with and get. He did know from the beginning even in 2015 that he can't really run as a democrat. Sacramento rant was already him hinting to the idea of handlers and controllers within all facets of industry.
that's the thing about the republicans though. even if the GOP decides he's a terrible candidate to run, they can't rig their own primaries as easily as the DNC. In the end, it all comes down to what regular ass people think. If the entire media is s***ting on Ye, the individual voter will feel like their vote matters more. Sort of like "well, if I, personally, don't vote for him, the deep state wins". I think that's why Trump won, and so I think there's a shot Ye wins. Super low odds, but there's a chance.
- Dec 4, 2022·2 repliescold mountain
s*** man, maybe you're right.
that's also entirely possible. If I was in that situation though, I wouldn't go on to pay people actual money to be my campaign strategists.
we will just have to wait and see how this plays out to see if either of us is right
Him running for president even with all the things he is saying as previously also gives him hyper visibility which is partially ego but its also if anyone did try to kill him or did kill him they kind of have to investigate. If he were to die in anyway right now people would look through all these s*** interviews for clues and question the entire system. Regardless of what truth or non truth there is. Same as if he was 5150d because of that blatant zombieland text. Like really his Alex Jones interview should have just primarily focused on mental health and questions about Harley Pasternak because the media lightly reported on it then shrugged it off.
Ye is cognizant of what he is doing by trolling Zionist, Netanyahu, Ari Emmanuel, Rahm Emmanuel, Hillary Clinton he is trying to get a reaction .
Has he said the name an album Hitler in the past before oh yes I am sure. Do I think personally he admires Hitlers violence or persecution of people? obviously hope not but no way to know. Do I think he always wants to push the envelope of not being told he should love hate or how to think ? Yes.
- Dec 4, 2022·1 replyHaroldsChicken
Him running for president even with all the things he is saying as previously also gives him hyper visibility which is partially ego but its also if anyone did try to kill him or did kill him they kind of have to investigate. If he were to die in anyway right now people would look through all these s*** interviews for clues and question the entire system. Regardless of what truth or non truth there is. Same as if he was 5150d because of that blatant zombieland text. Like really his Alex Jones interview should have just primarily focused on mental health and questions about Harley Pasternak because the media lightly reported on it then shrugged it off.
Ye is cognizant of what he is doing by trolling Zionist, Netanyahu, Ari Emmanuel, Rahm Emmanuel, Hillary Clinton he is trying to get a reaction .
Has he said the name an album Hitler in the past before oh yes I am sure. Do I think personally he admires Hitlers violence or persecution of people? obviously hope not but no way to know. Do I think he always wants to push the envelope of not being told he should love hate or how to think ? Yes.
i agree on all of that, yeah.
I'm just seeing too many parallels to Trump to not think this is a serious bid at the presidency.
Something that's supremely interesting to me about Ye's meeting with Trump is that Trump told Ye not to run, and basically told him he won't ever be able to win. Ye took this as a threat, which I guess makes sense. Trump is his primary competition right now, sure. But personally, I think that might have been more of a warning than a threat.
- Dec 4, 2022·1 replycold mountain
that's the thing about the republicans though. even if the GOP decides he's a terrible candidate to run, they can't rig their own primaries as easily as the DNC. In the end, it all comes down to what regular ass people think. If the entire media is s***ting on Ye, the individual voter will feel like their vote matters more. Sort of like "well, if I, personally, don't vote for him, the deep state wins". I think that's why Trump won, and so I think there's a shot Ye wins. Super low odds, but there's a chance.
This loops back to the central idea though at the end of the day a lot of white people that support the ideas he does even while he puts Trump down simply don't want to be ruled by a black man. But in an oddly reverse progressive odd way he is breaking the idea of what it means to be a black man
obviously yes many would call him a race traitor. But in his mind at least based on his post he believes its necessary to break all stereotypes to unite as humans which also partially means not bringing up our past history as an excuse for our present be it slavery or the holocaust. So he feels in terms of modern black on black crime the prison system is terrible as evidenced by donda but that slavery isnt an excuse for our modern day crimes. Same way Holocaust was terrible but in his mind doing those business practices to others, Palestine and record execs selling an image of black people is inexcusable.Like I get what in a way he seems to be going for but execution is all shock value. No one can kind of tell him he is wrong in anyway without him thinking they are controlled. He wants this message to get out. A lot of these interviewers could ask him challenging questions without necessarily making him walk out the room. Example what is christ like about Hitler even if he was born a Christian he eventually persecuted an entire group of people including your own he didn't have this great idea of black people
I think you also have to take into account this whole time he has said he wants to be like people like Walt Disney. Disney is hugely successful but origins wise he was a Nazi. Nasa . Operation paperclip was importing Nazi scientist and creators. So in Ye mind part of America inventions was Nazism. CIA in many ways is the continued agenda of hyper nationalism or Nazism.
America First all of that hyper nationalism and the deaths behind it are in many way Nazi like too
- Dec 4, 2022
ana whippin up fire paragraphs every other post
matrix 4 thread vibes - Dec 4, 2022
lmao and here i was thinkin the kanye doc came out a little too early
shame that the other doc was scrapped and we’ll never get the yeezus footage
- Dec 4, 2022HaroldsChicken
Him running for president even with all the things he is saying as previously also gives him hyper visibility which is partially ego but its also if anyone did try to kill him or did kill him they kind of have to investigate. If he were to die in anyway right now people would look through all these s*** interviews for clues and question the entire system. Regardless of what truth or non truth there is. Same as if he was 5150d because of that blatant zombieland text. Like really his Alex Jones interview should have just primarily focused on mental health and questions about Harley Pasternak because the media lightly reported on it then shrugged it off.
Ye is cognizant of what he is doing by trolling Zionist, Netanyahu, Ari Emmanuel, Rahm Emmanuel, Hillary Clinton he is trying to get a reaction .
Has he said the name an album Hitler in the past before oh yes I am sure. Do I think personally he admires Hitlers violence or persecution of people? obviously hope not but no way to know. Do I think he always wants to push the envelope of not being told he should love hate or how to think ? Yes.
that middle part i’ll agree with and is going unnoticed
dude is so obviously trolling when he says soemthing crazy and then is like “DO YOU HEAR ME
NOW ARI EMMANUEL??” - Dec 4, 2022·1 replyHaroldsChicken
This loops back to the central idea though at the end of the day a lot of white people that support the ideas he does even while he puts Trump down simply don't want to be ruled by a black man. But in an oddly reverse progressive odd way he is breaking the idea of what it means to be a black man
obviously yes many would call him a race traitor. But in his mind at least based on his post he believes its necessary to break all stereotypes to unite as humans which also partially means not bringing up our past history as an excuse for our present be it slavery or the holocaust. So he feels in terms of modern black on black crime the prison system is terrible as evidenced by donda but that slavery isnt an excuse for our modern day crimes. Same way Holocaust was terrible but in his mind doing those business practices to others, Palestine and record execs selling an image of black people is inexcusable.Like I get what in a way he seems to be going for but execution is all shock value. No one can kind of tell him he is wrong in anyway without him thinking they are controlled. He wants this message to get out. A lot of these interviewers could ask him challenging questions without necessarily making him walk out the room. Example what is christ like about Hitler even if he was born a Christian he eventually persecuted an entire group of people including your own he didn't have this great idea of black people
I think you also have to take into account this whole time he has said he wants to be like people like Walt Disney. Disney is hugely successful but origins wise he was a Nazi. Nasa . Operation paperclip was importing Nazi scientist and creators. So in Ye mind part of America inventions was Nazism. CIA in many ways is the continued agenda of hyper nationalism or Nazism.
America First all of that hyper nationalism and the deaths behind it are in many way Nazi like too
Yeah, I get your point. Again, it's not like I endorse Ye, the guy's running republican and I'm left-leaning. I just don't see what he's doing as pure evil, and I feel compelled to talk to people about that when they say he is pure evil.
Dec 4, 2022Mitch BakerMy Jewish MMA friend who was a die hard Kanye stan taking this really hard posted a video of himself crying on IG damn you Ye
- Dec 4, 2022·2 repliescold mountain
i agree on all of that, yeah.
I'm just seeing too many parallels to Trump to not think this is a serious bid at the presidency.
Something that's supremely interesting to me about Ye's meeting with Trump is that Trump told Ye not to run, and basically told him he won't ever be able to win. Ye took this as a threat, which I guess makes sense. Trump is his primary competition right now, sure. But personally, I think that might have been more of a warning than a threat.
Ye takes it as "how can Trump the person who was told not to run say the same thing to me". But again he definitely wanted a reaction from Trump by trolling asking Trump if he would like the opportunity to be beneath him. Clearly in some ways trying to discredit Trump. Ye is in many ways trying to call out the entire system though both Democrat and Republican. That is part of why I said Lupe puts it well that Ye shows the hypocrisy of our system. Biden was previously openly racist as are many presidents. They are also clearly islamophobic but they are still see as charismatic humans lovable etc etc. S*** Bush is smiling next to Michelle obama at a funeral and it becomes a whole meme. Millions of Muslims view Bush as a Hitler like figure or Obama or a potential Hillary Clinton. So I get what you are saying he specifically went at jewish people, Zioinist to show "hey look black people and others this is the people you can't joke about". "hey look I had a jewish doctor who originally said I was crazy after sacramento who had me on pills I perhaps didn't need" "hey look they are in these positions of power that you are not in". Where he treaded though is that he also got into the white supremacist side by going on their kind of networks, saying its hard being a white man ( even though I get what he means in terms of when trying to hold anyone accountable on a human level even if I disagree). He is trying to point out all these contradictions.
While also showing on a basic level we can't even talk about these things because as you see on here, the internet, especially twitter it draws a reaction of "shoot the messenger", s*** be it wikileaks or anything else identities are weaponized. Kyrie posting a link was the same way. lol Amazon just said "yeah we are not taking that down" so they can still make money off of it and their owner is of the disparaged group but Kyrie just posted a link didn't even say anything and its assumed by posting the link he watched and agreed with every single word without fail or that he should have to explain minute by minute what he agrees and disagrees with.
It gets to an odd point because for some even having deeper discussions about any issues they want to call you racist, antisemitic or hateful rather than have a discussion.
- Dec 4, 2022Mitch Baker
My Jewish MMA friend who was a die hard Kanye stan taking this really hard posted a video of himself crying on IG damn you Ye
its not that serious - Dec 4, 2022·1 reply
also, for the record, it should be obvious that Ye, a guy who keeps calling himself jewish over and over again, doesn't actually hold any hate towards jewish people. It's pretty obvious he doesn't think all Jews are bad, otherwise I really doubt he'd say he was a Jew.
the anti-semitism is either a political gambit or some out of pocket philosophical experiment. It's definitely not full hatred of jewish ppl.
- Dec 4, 2022·2 repliesMitch Baker
My Jewish MMA friend who was a die hard Kanye stan taking this really hard posted a video of himself crying on IG damn you Ye
your friend is kind of stupid for falling for the meme. obviously Ye has no issues with your friend.
Dec 4, 2022·1 replycold mountainalso, for the record, it should be obvious that Ye, a guy who keeps calling himself jewish over and over again, doesn't actually hold any hate towards jewish people. It's pretty obvious he doesn't think all Jews are bad, otherwise I really doubt he'd say he was a Jew.
the anti-semitism is either a political gambit or some out of pocket philosophical experiment. It's definitely not full hatred of jewish ppl.
Ye is an idiot and it’s impossible to attempt to make any sense of his actions. He himself doesn’t even know what he’s doing
- Dec 4, 2022·1 replyYevin
Ye is an idiot and it’s impossible to attempt to make any sense of his actions. He himself doesn’t even know what he’s doing
I disagree. This isn't stuff that's impossible to understand. Ye's being intentionally vague and ambiguous, so yeah it's a little tricky, but it's not impossible to make out that Ye doesn't hate Jewish people. Actually, I think that's a pretty easy conclusion to come to after seeing him call himself Jewish like 20 times.
- Dec 4, 2022·1 replycold mountain
I disagree. This isn't stuff that's impossible to understand. Ye's being intentionally vague and ambiguous, so yeah it's a little tricky, but it's not impossible to make out that Ye doesn't hate Jewish people. Actually, I think that's a pretty easy conclusion to come to after seeing him call himself Jewish like 20 times.
Okay but what is his end goal? To make everyone hate him? Cause cool yeah hes not hating on all Jews only the ones that fit his silly tinfoil conspiracy, now what?
- Dec 4, 2022·1 replyHaroldsChicken
Ye takes it as "how can Trump the person who was told not to run say the same thing to me". But again he definitely wanted a reaction from Trump by trolling asking Trump if he would like the opportunity to be beneath him. Clearly in some ways trying to discredit Trump. Ye is in many ways trying to call out the entire system though both Democrat and Republican. That is part of why I said Lupe puts it well that Ye shows the hypocrisy of our system. Biden was previously openly racist as are many presidents. They are also clearly islamophobic but they are still see as charismatic humans lovable etc etc. S*** Bush is smiling next to Michelle obama at a funeral and it becomes a whole meme. Millions of Muslims view Bush as a Hitler like figure or Obama or a potential Hillary Clinton. So I get what you are saying he specifically went at jewish people, Zioinist to show "hey look black people and others this is the people you can't joke about". "hey look I had a jewish doctor who originally said I was crazy after sacramento who had me on pills I perhaps didn't need" "hey look they are in these positions of power that you are not in". Where he treaded though is that he also got into the white supremacist side by going on their kind of networks, saying its hard being a white man ( even though I get what he means in terms of when trying to hold anyone accountable on a human level even if I disagree). He is trying to point out all these contradictions.
While also showing on a basic level we can't even talk about these things because as you see on here, the internet, especially twitter it draws a reaction of "shoot the messenger", s*** be it wikileaks or anything else identities are weaponized. Kyrie posting a link was the same way. lol Amazon just said "yeah we are not taking that down" so they can still make money off of it and their owner is of the disparaged group but Kyrie just posted a link didn't even say anything and its assumed by posting the link he watched and agreed with every single word without fail or that he should have to explain minute by minute what he agrees and disagrees with.
It gets to an odd point because for some even having deeper discussions about any issues they want to call you racist, antisemitic or hateful rather than have a discussion.
all of this i 100% agree with but let’s be honest
the average person isn’t following this train of thought, not even saying this on some “we’re smart enough to think this way” i just don’t think most ppl are giving kanye this much time of day
the problem is all of the “exposing hypocrisies” rhetoric/trolling can happen
WITHOUT BEING BACKED BY WHITE SUPREMACISTS AND SAYING I LIKE HITLERit’s just childish and makes anyone who tries to point out these hypocrisies look like they’re alt right at worst contrarian at best to the general public
it hurts the greater good ultimately and that’s what makes it insidious imo, bc as far gone as he is, he is most definitely aware of this impact
- Dec 4, 2022Mitch Baker
My Jewish MMA friend who was a die hard Kanye stan taking this really hard posted a video of himself crying on IG damn you Ye
can’t even say that’s corny bc i’m not jewish and i’m def taking this super hard myself i’m feelin for ur bro
- Dec 4, 2022·1 replycold mountain
Yeah, I get your point. Again, it's not like I endorse Ye, the guy's running republican and I'm left-leaning. I just don't see what he's doing as pure evil, and I feel compelled to talk to people about that when they say he is pure evil.
Hitler is viewed as pure evil. S*** at the time he posted the Trump hat Trump was viewed as modern day pure evil. Is any human pure evil literally ? No. But the trauma people face in reality they don't want to hear "well this KKK member, mass shooter or racist was still created by God and was at one time a normal human being then was corrupted by satan". They don't want to hear the idea of loving everybody when they live in fear of certain things which is logical there. Ye isn't pure evil. He just uses shock value, triggering, evoking history to create reactions some that have value to change our perspective. Others don't really have value and just draw attention to him.
I am left leaning progressive and a Nigga. I don't believe any human is pure evil. I don't like the prison system or death penalty. I am pro choice. I have seen, interviewed, have people in family that are hyper religious like Ye. I have followed hotep niggas on twitter to see their view or take a peek at right wing things without reacting even if I disagree.
A lot of these humans including Candace Owens aren't evil to me they are at times contrarian to build a following. But contrarian isn't even the word because they do believe it. I am one that thinks like Jon Stewart worded more eloquently silencing them. Telling them all they are hated. Telling them they are pure evil often only reinforces their ideas. We have to be able to have discussions without shooting the messenger all the time because regardless of what people feel about ye saying calling him crazy, stupid, dumb, nazi , hatefilled, narcissst etc. what he is saying are views held by many in America and again approach them with knowledge. S*** that is one thing I can commend Alex Jones for lol he had s*** printed out with knowledge so its not just him telling Ye something he can directly be like "boom here is fact that you can't disagree with" did he use that entirely correctly without agenda ? No. But we have to present information concrete some times with people
- Dec 4, 2022·2 replies
i was only being dismissive earlier @hanshan bc atp i feel like giving it this much thought only feeds this machine further
he wins by staying ambiguous enough to have ppl like us constantly be like “but he’s not really a nazi!”
but intent doesn’t matter when the impact is this large and i can’t really intellectualize someone explicitly saying”i like hitler” like he’s a kid in a classroom when he’s one of the most influential people of the 21st century.
- Dec 4, 2022·edited·1 replyHaroldsChicken
Ye takes it as "how can Trump the person who was told not to run say the same thing to me". But again he definitely wanted a reaction from Trump by trolling asking Trump if he would like the opportunity to be beneath him. Clearly in some ways trying to discredit Trump. Ye is in many ways trying to call out the entire system though both Democrat and Republican. That is part of why I said Lupe puts it well that Ye shows the hypocrisy of our system. Biden was previously openly racist as are many presidents. They are also clearly islamophobic but they are still see as charismatic humans lovable etc etc. S*** Bush is smiling next to Michelle obama at a funeral and it becomes a whole meme. Millions of Muslims view Bush as a Hitler like figure or Obama or a potential Hillary Clinton. So I get what you are saying he specifically went at jewish people, Zioinist to show "hey look black people and others this is the people you can't joke about". "hey look I had a jewish doctor who originally said I was crazy after sacramento who had me on pills I perhaps didn't need" "hey look they are in these positions of power that you are not in". Where he treaded though is that he also got into the white supremacist side by going on their kind of networks, saying its hard being a white man ( even though I get what he means in terms of when trying to hold anyone accountable on a human level even if I disagree). He is trying to point out all these contradictions.
While also showing on a basic level we can't even talk about these things because as you see on here, the internet, especially twitter it draws a reaction of "shoot the messenger", s*** be it wikileaks or anything else identities are weaponized. Kyrie posting a link was the same way. lol Amazon just said "yeah we are not taking that down" so they can still make money off of it and their owner is of the disparaged group but Kyrie just posted a link didn't even say anything and its assumed by posting the link he watched and agreed with every single word without fail or that he should have to explain minute by minute what he agrees and disagrees with.
It gets to an odd point because for some even having deeper discussions about any issues they want to call you racist, antisemitic or hateful rather than have a discussion.
yeah and something about him ripping into American ideology is just so irresistible to me lol.
Something Ye's doing that I actually like a lot is encouraging nuance. In today's society, it's so common for some bad aspect of a person to come to light, and then suddenly all aspects of the person are bad now. Sometimes that extends to that person's friends, and even any work they were involved in. I think that's dumb. X's music was hard before I found out how f***ed up he was to his girlfriend, and it's still hard after.
We must go back to understanding people as aggregates of multiple aspects, not as total wholes. It's healthy to be able to say that I don't like or approve of Kodak's crimes and questionable statements/actions, but I do absolutely love his music. That's much healthier than agreeing with everything he does or pretending I don't like his music. It's separating the wheat from the chaff, not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. And we've been sucking at that, as of late.