gunn should have stole the formula then

oh wait he is stealing the formula....
MOT soon
s*** better make a billion

look at the Superman thread before it drops and you see people pretend it was. I am not even talking a billion. F1 outperformed it.

it didnt do that well because it came that close to LILO AND STICH which had s*** reviews but an easily accessible family film.

Superman for many different reasons on the plot it choose to depict isnt a 800 million making film. Rather than discuss that you guys are "man of steel really soured people in 2014 " . That was 11 years ago. Superman as a character has existed for much longer and YES SUPERMAN RETURNS DROPPED LESS THAN 10 YEARS BEFORE MAN OF STEEL.

The MCU being as successful as it is really ruined people's conceptions of what constitutes success for these type of movies

I was one of the people last year saying it was never gonna make anywhere near a billion. I was predicting that it would make a moderate amount of money, and then the sequel would be the film that contends for a billion

go outside to a busy populated area and ask 20 random people if they have ever heard of creature commandos

Idk about peacemaker s2 think numbers were low there I know lanterns did really good

I more mean that they want BLOCKBUSTERS like wonderwoman Batman justice league team ups where the potential profits are in the hundreds of millions etc not lower budget movies with lesser characters like clayface where the profits are only $20 to $30 mill if successful if that makes sense?

Man of steel whether you liked it or not was successsful.......

it made that 600 million and had the most in movie ads ever so it was profitable

I criitqued it for how many ads it had at times imdb.com/news/ni55284309/?_ssoLoop=1

you cant just talk out your ass. I was alive when Man of Steel dropped it was a moment where countless friends saw it. Yes it has its issues as a movie but its by no means terrible

in hindsight we can all acknowledge everyone so upset about superman killing zod is a bit hypocritical considering what we have seen in superhero movies since

it also lead to everyone doing "city empty everyone evacuated"

which became like post astroworld arist pausing their show "are you okay"

Man of Steel was a moderate success in the same way that Superman 2025 was, it was the critical reception that hurt that movie

A Batman v Superman movie even being made is a success then you again ratio the budget and ad money they got to profit

thewrap.com/batman-v-superman-the-most-blatant-product-placements-from-jeep-to-jolly-ranchers

which yes even the jolly rancher was product placement all to get their money back

long form ad

the theatrical cut missing so much is the failure but the movie itself no.

I feel in this convo some of ya are forgetting that superman made more than F4, Thunderbolt and Brave New World all that same year with similar budgets amongst the 3. Doing those numbers right at the cusp of a reboot is great.

Dc movies were considered a joke for a decade we dont have to remove context out

at least my cinematic universes superman had his own theme song

Ya bringing up MOS as if that wasnt in CBM commercial peak era

hahahahah couldnt match its box office 10 years later not including inflation

Nah you’re right I agree. I do think the blockbusters were going to come eventually tho and Gunn wanted to spend the early days building the foundation and elevating lesser known characters like Mister Terrific. Lowkey needed a heavy hitter like Batman Brave & Bold after Superman to drop

If Snyder's movies were't so bad he'd still be around

He was making cash but the movies were booty

This a banger can’t even front

ign.com/articles/warner-bros-reportedly-regrets-torching-zack-snyders-dc-universe-and-battling-with-him-on-justice-league

jammuh did u listen to my song

This isnt correct in anyway

Superman returns was closer in proximity than man of steel or bvs was to superman 2025. Superman 2025 was clearly a new unvierse Gunn had all the freedom in the entire world. He wrote the script. He had access to all characters. He was knowingly creating a universe.

Zack Snyder was under multiple people and even though his plans were changing and adapting he was commnicating

Gunn had all that freedom and was like "oooo I guess I will direct this one I wrote and release on my late dads birthday what a coincidence as for our future plans I will tease them on threads by sassy posting at everyone "

Sndyer was sassy in interviews. I told everyone that Gunn run would end similiar to snyder because he moved the same way especially in weaponizing his fans.

Also you add in inflation from 2013 to now its entirely different .

the distance between superman returns ( a bigger failure than man of steel by all metrics) was 7 years. The space between man of steel and superman is 12 years and bvs and superman 2025 9 years.

Your excuse doesnt work. Aquaman made a billion while the whole dceu was crumbling.

The Batman did great

The Superman 2025 simply wasnt a perfect movie to market to all demographcis and DROPPED AGAIN BETWEEN HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON, F1 , FANTASTIC FOUR AND LILO AND STICH

Wonder Woman 1984 was released on streaming and writing was simply dogshit. If you drop a good product the proximity doesnt matter in the way you think it does. Much of the public can quickly go "oh this is a new wonder woman or new batman" if it gets good reviews and is well written.

By the logic you guys are going by that seeing a character so soon is too much to process why would they inrtroduce a superman who's parents are evil entirely warping the immigration story ?

If superman an immigrant parents are evil and he betrays their teaching for his white adoption parents that entirely changes his immigration story at a time where people needs wholesome immigration stories . To be what?

I really hate this scared ass mentality they've been working with. Just run another Batman and WW, who cares?

Shelving your most popular characters for 6 years wont get the job done.

homecoming was only 3 years after amazing spiderman 2