Synopsis

6y

I can only hope your username is a troll and not an accurate representation of ur person.

emStan2001

6y

classic low hanging fruit response

ima rob u then get off scott free at "rehab"

naive b****

Synopsis

6y

i mean, its not like the response you gave was really worthy of anything else. going to put u on ignore now bye.

Thebigbelts

6y

The argument you are making can be used in any type of punishment. There's millions of people who are wrongfully convicted and spend the rest of their lives in prison so should we free everyone in prison? No.

Like I said, the requirements to seek the death penalty should be changed, however the people like Dylann roof, nicholas cruz and jared Loughner should be dead and deserve to be dead.

Mesaih

6y

Ehh a little different
Once ur dead ur dead aint no coming back from that even if you are proven innocent later
U still have at least a little chance of being free from jail if your innocently convicted of a crime

Thebigbelts

6y

B**** did you not read where I said the requirements need to be changed for the death penalty

Mesaih

6y

I mean if you guarantee that no innocent people will die than s*** I wouldnt be against the death penalty for extrme circumstances but idk how easy that would be

Thebigbelts

6y

The argument you are making can be used in any type of punishment. There's millions of people who are wrongfully convicted and spend the rest of their lives in prison so should we free everyone in prison? No.

Like I said, the requirements to seek the death penalty should be changed, however the people like Dylann roof, nicholas cruz and jared Loughner should be dead and deserve to be dead.

MetaphoricalOne

6y

Wrong.. You seem to miss the big distinction in life vs execution... Without the death penalty we won't have any more people executed that are innocent and given that people have been later found to be innocent through dna evidence and other means and freed... The people who were found to be innocent posthumously would've been freed instead of executed...

Red Bandana

6y

I've read every post itt lmao

Synopsis

6y

Yes, that's why it's a process. I don't see why, as time moves on, we can't get rid of all of those ugly forms of bigotry. You kill off institutional racism, xenophobia, transphobia, religious bigotry etc., If a behavior is learned, it can be unlearned and eventually it can get to the point where it's never even taught. Especially if you take away the influential systemic factors.

I also don't accept that there has to be public demonization at all. Again we're talking about a radical transformation of society and its values. Right now we demonize these people because that's what is accepted in society. No one is going to get on you for shaming a pedophile, even if theyve committed no crime, but what if it wasn't socially acceptable to demonize them?

As for sociopaths, well I see no reason we can't eliminate a condition based on sociological factors. Psychopaths are different, but there is some environmental aspect at play with them as well.

Thebigbelts

6y

Do you read other people's opinions or do you just go off of what you think is best?

This may be difficult for you to comprehend but if I am asking for changes to seeking the death penalty then maybe that will lower the number of death row candidats and increase the evidence, proof of burden etc.

MetaphoricalOne

6y

I'm referring to your objection to what I said and the comment of "why don't we just free everyone because some could be innocent with the same logic"... But that's not the same logic.... Big difference between life with the possibility of being found innocent and execution...

I responded to that already... They would need to be changes that assures no one innocent ever gets found guilty and put to death.. And I made the other argument for severe mental illness.

Thebigbelts

6y

Why are we having this conversation if you agree that there is a place for it if some changes are made?

You did all that typing to agree with what I initially said lol

MetaphoricalOne

6y

Because I don't agree... You'd have to convince me by putting forward such a system and telling me how it would work.. If its anything like our current system.. I can't support it.

MetaphoricalOne

6y

I'm not talking about institutional racism/bigotry... We can definitely change or reduce that... I'm talking about personal, individual, and generational... You can't take away the most influential factors like their family members and upbringing... Why do you think so many people are indoctrinated into so many different religions and beliefs... You think you can just make people unlearn things ingrained in them like that? People are flawed inherently... There will always be people that hold irrational beliefs... You can't control thought.. You think people believe these things just because a lack of information? Breaking free from indoctrination is a very difficult thing for most people to ever do... Many can't .. Gay rights have come a long way, but there will always be some people who denigrate or hate homosexuals because their beliefs are informed by other things like religion or their family which influence their whole worldview... You can't just hand wave away these things.. You're taking a very idealistic view with no basis in reality to support such a thing.

How can you eliminate those factors? Someone else is raising them and influencing them as they grow from adolescents...What are you advocating for being done? Cmon bruh

Thebigbelts

6y

So do you agree that dylann roof (multiple witnesses left alive so they could tell the world what he did) and jared Loughner (multiple witnesses and subdued at the scene of the crime) should they serve life in prison or should they be executed?

MetaphoricalOne

6y

I have no problem with him being executed... I'm asking you... What's the law or legislation gonna be? What will be the limits to the death penalty? Who will be eligible and under what circumstances? Etc

valenciaga

6y

lets see somebody rape and kill ur entire family and u still preaching for them to go to rehab 😹😹

Synopsis

6y

Well, if you're reducing institutional racism/bigotry then you are indeed going to be reducing personal/individual racism/bigotry in the process, because systemic factors do influence individual beliefs. We have the demonization of muslims after 9/11, Reagan conjuring up the image of the black welfare queen, segregation, the "job stealing mexican immigrant" etc., etc., It all plays on fear of the other and it fuels individuals to hold racist beliefs. You remove these factors, place a higher emphasis on education, especially collective education, then you begin removing generational affects, especially in a society where equality is doctrine to begin with. And as I mentioned to someone else earlier, the whole point about "not having a basis in reality" is irrelevant, because there have been many changes made throughout history that seemingly had no basis in reality until one day they were. Striving for an ideological goal is no way a bad thing.

So basically, you eliminate systemic factors that influence individual beliefs, end all forms of private discrimination, form a society based on equality, collective education practices, etc., Even if you want to go the indoctrination route, I see no difference why it wouldn't be the same as with political views. Most kids, at an early age, show tendencies of sharing the same political views and values as their parents. As they grow older, they usually tend to break from those values as they socialize with other groups.

Thebigbelts

6y

Not my job lol I'm telling you that it can and should be used.

MetaphoricalOne

6y

If you can't do that, then it's pointless.... That's the only way to defend the position or you may as well say you're fine with executing innocent people as long as most of the time we execute guilty ones.

Thebigbelts

6y

Hate to call you a but... me saying that some people have been proven guilty without a doubt and deserve to be executed is not the same as me saying that all people on death row should be executed lol

There is a place for executions and you agree with me. That's all we were talking about. I am not a lawmaker and neither are you