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  • ARCADE GOON

    It's not a debate contest

    My point was we're not gonna solve crime or eradicate it... We can definitely reduce it.... You essentially said the same thing... I agree 👍

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    ARCADE GOON

    Murders are not planned in advance as often as you think, manslaughter even less. You would surprised at how dumb most criminals are and how easily they get caught.

    True although we also have a s***load of unsolved homicides every year... So there's many murders that occur without us knowing the true motive or intent also.

  • May 20, 2020
    LegitAlpha

    Reading thru this thread throughout the last few days has shown me OP grew up on the internet and hasn’t grown out of it with a 9th grade level of woke ideologies

    You've got a weird obsession

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    Synopsis

    Also once we solve crime we won't even need the rehab centers

    Jesus christ OP

  • May 20, 2020
    LegitAlpha

    Reading thru this thread throughout the last few days has shown me OP grew up on the internet and hasn’t grown out of it with a 9th grade level of woke ideologies

    That comment I quoted takes the cake, nevermind the first page

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    MetaphoricalOne

    Religion, racism, extremism, mental disorders, violent urges, abusive upbringing, etc.... So many things contribute to violent crime... They're not just going to disappear... We can't solve crime... We can reduce it.

    Racism/bigotry are learned behaviors. I also dont see why mental disorders or violent urges have to lead to crime in a society that doesn't put a negative spin on mental illness

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    dat guy

    Jesus christ OP

    What? Yall are so narrow minded honestly

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    Synopsis

    What? Yall are so narrow minded honestly

    No offense but are you underage?
    Some of your takes are out of this world

  • May 20, 2020
    dat guy

    No offense but are you underage?
    Some of your takes are out of this world

    That's not an answer to my question

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    I respect Synopsis for responding to damn near every post lol

  • May 20, 2020

    U have to be extremely naive if u think were just gonna "solve crime"

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    Synopsis

    Racism/bigotry are learned behaviors. I also dont see why mental disorders or violent urges have to lead to crime in a society that doesn't put a negative spin on mental illness

    Yes they're learned behaviors... That are often times ingrained in people from an early age or through their upbringing and influence of family members... Just like indoctrination... We can't control people's thoughts or what their families are teaching them.

    Many people are also naturally ashamed of their urges... As far as pedophiles... I'm sure there will be some that will come forward and seek help if there's no public demonization, but of course there will STILL be public demonization to some degree and even if there wasn't... There are those who'd also rather feed into that urge to molest children... My focus is on the violent crimes...

    Sociopaths won't admit they're sociopaths... Same typically goes for psychopaths, but they're more likely to... And them committing crimes isn't because of a negative spin by society.

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    MetaphoricalOne

    Dumb as s***... And what do you mean bring back? We have it and we shouldn't.

    We should have it. Some crimes deserve death. What needs to change is the requirements to seek the death penalty

  • May 20, 2020
    d stoner

    In

    Get rid of jails
    Bring back the death penalty

    Yikes

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    Thebigbelts

    We should have it. Some crimes deserve death. What needs to change is the requirements to seek the death penalty

    Until you can create a system where no one will ever be executed wrongfully... You can't advocate for the death penalty... There's also other valid arguments against the death penalty if someone's born with a severe mental illness that can be clinically diagnosed... It would be more humane to keep them separated from society so they can't put anyone else on danger, but not kill them.

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    MetaphoricalOne

    Until you can create a system where no one will ever be executed wrongfully... You can't advocate for the death penalty... There's also other valid arguments against the death penalty if someone's born with a severe mental illness that can be clinically diagnosed... It would be more humane to keep them separated from society so they can't put anyone else on danger, but not kill them.

    The argument you are making can be used in any type of punishment. There's millions of people who are wrongfully convicted and spend the rest of their lives in prison so should we free everyone in prison? No.

    Like I said, the requirements to seek the death penalty should be changed, however the people like Dylann roof, nicholas cruz and jared Loughner should be dead and deserve to be dead.

  • May 20, 2020
    MetaphoricalOne

    Religion, racism, extremism, mental disorders, violent urges, abusive upbringing, etc.... So many things contribute to violent crime... They're not just going to disappear... We can't solve crime... We can reduce it.

  • May 20, 2020

    OP is very optimistic of the human race I don't see why that's a bad thing.

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    MetaphoricalOne

    Yes they're learned behaviors... That are often times ingrained in people from an early age or through their upbringing and influence of family members... Just like indoctrination... We can't control people's thoughts or what their families are teaching them.

    Many people are also naturally ashamed of their urges... As far as pedophiles... I'm sure there will be some that will come forward and seek help if there's no public demonization, but of course there will STILL be public demonization to some degree and even if there wasn't... There are those who'd also rather feed into that urge to molest children... My focus is on the violent crimes...

    Sociopaths won't admit they're sociopaths... Same typically goes for psychopaths, but they're more likely to... And them committing crimes isn't because of a negative spin by society.

    Yes, that's why it's a process. I don't see why, as time moves on, we can't get rid of all of those ugly forms of bigotry. You kill off institutional racism, xenophobia, transphobia, religious bigotry etc., If a behavior is learned, it can be unlearned and eventually it can get to the point where it's never even taught. Especially if you take away the influential systemic factors.

    I also don't accept that there has to be public demonization at all. Again we're talking about a radical transformation of society and its values. Right now we demonize these people because that's what is accepted in society. No one is going to get on you for shaming a pedophile, even if theyve committed no crime, but what if it wasn't socially acceptable to demonize them?

    As for sociopaths, well I see no reason we can't eliminate a condition based on sociological factors. Psychopaths are different, but there is some environmental aspect at play with them as well.

  • May 20, 2020
    Synopsis

    https://www.feministes-radicales.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Angela-Davis-Are_Prisons_Obsolete.pdf

    I would encourage everyone to read this. If not the whole thing, at least the last chapter.

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    read/follow the work of Ruth Wilson Gilmore & Mariame Kaba. prison abolition shouldn’t be considered crazy

    transformharm.org/is-prison-necessary-ruth-wilson-gilmore-might-change-your-mind

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    OP u a soft ass B****

    prolly just did lsd or something now u all on about peace and positivity and love lmao

    thats a good first step but u havent gotten to the point where u incorporate evil back into ur world view in a meaningful way

    u cannot just think evil happens bc "they know not what they do"

    a lotta these mfers know exactly what they b doin

    they deserve 2 bullets to the dome

    but we humane so we lock em up

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    emStan2001

    OP u a soft ass B****

    prolly just did lsd or something now u all on about peace and positivity and love lmao

    thats a good first step but u havent gotten to the point where u incorporate evil back into ur world view in a meaningful way

    u cannot just think evil happens bc "they know not what they do"

    a lotta these mfers know exactly what they b doin

    they deserve 2 bullets to the dome

    but we humane so we lock em up

    I can only hope your username is a troll and not an accurate representation of ur person.

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