The US has conducted covert operations in China, has taken on a trade war, have bases in neighboring countries, our Navy patrols the seas surrounding them, we inundate them with propaganda, etc. Fomenting tension domestically is laying the groundwork for naked aggression and escalation.

Look at the title of this thread. Look at the stickied thread about the uighur genocide. The only reason to comment here is to "defend China". Otherwise you are complicit with this hawkish rhetoric. There are no apolitical positions. A good faith critique serves the same purpose as a bad faith one.

The Germans supported the nazis, does that make it a democracy then

openly criticizing CCP can lead to jail time. there's an incentive for people to express support, the data is dirty.

i don't doubt that the approval ratings are higher than most think though, since china is doing better than they have in the past couple decades but that isn't saying much coming from post-mao.

The majority of Germans were socialists and liberals. The Nazis came to power on a plurality facilitated by subterfuge (Reichstag fire).

the germans didn't support the nazis until the nazis had imprisoned, murdered and tortured all of their opposition aka the communists.

the conservative party won the election against the communist party and then invited Hitler who was the Nazi Candidate to be Chancellor. They then crushed all organized labor, eradicated elections etc

We don’t inundate them with propaganda, they can’t even use a lot of western websites like that. You can continue making these irrelevant points but the fact of the matter is America will NEVER risk a war with China and wouldn’t even pass full sanctions. If the people of China rise up against their government or the same happens in America then so be it

what do u mean by debt bubble? im actually genuinely interested in learning more about what it is if u got any sources if u dont mind

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Asia

No, the Nazis had the highest number of seats and formed an alliance with the conservatives to form the dominant party.

Either way, you could make the same argument for China. You could say that the main reason the Chinese support the communist party is because it’s the only party they can

whether you approve of the party or not isn't open criticism.

i do think that functionally the approval rating is probably somewhat lower but if the vast majority of the people approve then I don't exactly see how China is "un-democratic"

Do you think Chinese people take some rando radio station any more seriously then Americans take Russian and chinese state propaganda on the internet

China!

So you were wrong (no propaganda) and now you're saying it doesn't matter when it was one point in five about the US' posture towards China, which you were also wrong about. Oh, and you were wrong about the Nazis.

they had a more consolidated party yes, but the majority of germans did not support the nazis. it's slightly dishonest to ignore the bulk of the socialist and liberal parties who held a majority of the seats combined.

The US congress approval rating is roughly around 30% and we only have one more functional party than them.

if it falls it falls

definitely think that attacking china and drumming up popular support for some type of conflict is a terrible idea and has the potential to cause mass misery and loss of human life and should be staunchly argued against tho.

I know the majority didn’t support them in the parliament. But it’s clear the general population put their weight in support by 1938, when it had gotten rid of its remaining democratic elements

No you said they were being “inundated by propaganda” they are not. Most of them don’t have to deal with western propaganda on a constant basis. I never said there was no propaganda they came across at all. And I wasn’t wrong about the Nazis either so far you’re 0/2

how is china un-democratic if the people support the government resoundedly?

Because the structure of the government is such that party membership is the only way to be anything that matters. The same party membership that is largely dependent on the appointment and approval of the already existing party membership. The people of Germany supported the Nazi government, yet there were no methods to even vote for them

"i wont believe any data that shows the chinese people support their government but i will whole heartedly believe what western news sources say about north korea"

“I’m an idiot who believes that my life will somehow be less terrible if my fictional revolution takes place”

Also never said the Chinese don’t support their government you brainless moron, I’m just saying that doesn’t mean it’s democratic

China's debt to GDP ratio is estimated to be between 270 to 330% and a lot of that is speculated to be bad loans. Huarong for example, one of the state's biggest asset management company, has billions of dollars to pay back this year and is speculated to be saved by the central government. Its last leader, Lai Xiaomin, was executed by the government recently because of the poor handling of the company.

thediplomat.com/2021/03/covid-19-made-chinas-debt-problem-worse
scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3084979/china-debt-how-big-it-who-owns-it-and-what-next
wsj.com/articles/debt-that-once-boosted-its-cities-now-burdens-china-1422415981
bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-02/huarong-contagion-risk-resurfaces-at-peers-that-owe-454-billion