I will give this an honest read

Real ones knew this from the beginning

no one said every government controls their media in the same way

let CNN start questioning and critiquing capitalism, see how long that lasts.

No it doesn’t. Saddam is 100% behind the war with Iran, with US backing so don’t even mention that. Kurds are an iranian ethnic group that likely already had independence aspirations, of course they would support the government

That's wasn't part of the discussion tho.. that the American government uses democracy and human rights to attack countries doesn't make China not a dictatorship where they dgaf bout human rights. Dude seems to think im in US government trying to attack left-wing regimes and using democracy for that while not giving af bout the s*** US allies like Saudi Arabia pull.. but i have news for him i criticize the USA and those regimes too

There are actually people who really care bout the concept of democracy and human rights w/o using it for their own gain or saying the USA or Europe is amazing and the epitome of it

People seem to only care bout their own views on stuff over here. For some reason a lot people on this site on the left of the political spectrum defend the Chinese government. But hey, i'm a social democrat and criticize that dictatorship. Y'all can do it too

If you believe in democracy why you defend China itt?

P**** country don’t want war

youtube.com/watch?v=ktE_3PrJZO0&list=PLGJc9hpngEI8ydZEQ7cbZSts14uC1-z9i&index=1

37 min YouTube video if u have the time interviewing with two NK people that were kidnapped into SK, and once they refuse to say anything against NK, they were forced to stay in SK, separating them from their family in NK. Theres a reason why all the testimonies you see are from young attractive people, and the girl in the video even got handed a script to say about NK for her testimony she ends up backing outin the video, so these testimonies are hella fake.

The reason that communist "defend" places like this is cause they are often used as propaganda tools to justify increase to military budget and aggression, NK is prob a s*** place to live due to multitude of reasons, nepotistic government, sanctions by basically everyone in the world, but its not some hell on earth where everyone is tortured if they dont wake up at 9am sharp to praise the great leader.

al jazeera does occasionally and they're still broadcasted in the U.S. lol

the people of north korea are hindered to only steam and coal powered tech because they have been sanctioned to the point they can't conduct any trade for anything. So every single lightbulb, nut and bolt needs to be constructed from within the country not to mention the lack of oil reserves. If the UN cared about the lives of North Koreans they would not be placing crippling sanctions on the country.

And the nuclear weapons are for geopolitical reasons. We're no longer at war w them, but for them they have to act as if they are due to the threat of being invaded and erased as a state. So if they have nuclear weapons they can ensure their existence.

are they a major media outlet in the U.S.? think they were blocked in some form until recently too

Even if they’re not all in concentration camps literally forced to worship the supreme leader, it’s still a country where the citizens are poor/unable to access the real internet while the Kim family is over there passing leadership down father-son while enjoying foreign movies and expensive tastes. That alone is worth condemning

Something tells me if someone accused America of rounding up and gassing its minorities, you guys wouldn’t feel the need to defend it even though that’s not necessarily true either. Just because evil is exaggerated doesn’t make the truth ok

Then it should be easy enough to recognize a "defense of China" is the only adequate response to the offensive against it.

they're not major, no. their whole existence is to fill a niche but that's more because their brand of politics is fringe to the population rather than them being suppressed

i don't think they've been blocked here (could be wrong) but i know they had a rebrand for the west a couple years ago and shutdown their original american channel so that might be it

Its cause at end of the day, yall end up justifying American actions in these areas saying the other guy is worse due to some notion of American Exceptionalism, when that never been the case, and most communist here dont even like China, most of us hate Deng reforms, but theres a difference between criticising china and repeating American propaganda pushed to manufacture consent

because democracy can only exist when there's economic democracy, and China is the only major power trying to achieve economic democracy (through socialism)?

you genuinely think that all the world powers should combine to overthrow the government supported by the Chinese people?
Why? That's f***ing insane

China is like the second most powerful country in the world. America mayhave a more powerful military, but it in no way would risk an actual war with another nuclear armed state. It doesn’t need your defense. All this anti Chinese government stuff will at most amount to sanctions on government officials, they won’t even be able to survive shutting them off economically. So there truly is no reason to defend them

CCP has an 80% approval rating

Sounds like the people support the government to me isn't that democracy ?

I mean thats kinda how cold wars between global superpowers go but ok. Also I'm not talking about all the world powers, I'm talking about their neighbors, all who by the way are pretty inclined to side with the americans (except vietnam) because they understand the expansionary nature of that regime

And honestly, the US doesn't even need to target the tankers. they can just decide to stop guaranteeing the safety of commercial ships out at sea, it's not like they're getting anything worth it out of it anymore too

u missed his first point which is that the people of China like their government

so if we sanction them cause mass poverty etc to the point the state falls, then what? install a new government? against the will of the people?

There's no appropriate trustworthy poll coming out of China

But afaik, older chinese people see their relation with the CCP as a faustian bargain and would drop it immediately if their economic situation wasn't getting better. Younger people are way more nationalistic and revanchist after the century of humiliation

it doesn't matter if the people are "brainwashed", democracy still depends on the opinions of the people

I'm not saying they're brainwashed, that type of take is stupid and reeks of orientalism bs. They seem pretty rational to me, especially older folks.

What their people want doesn't matter, an expansionary state can't be left alone when it threatens regional allies

Also btw that regime is bound to fail at some point. Look at their demographic problems and their debt bubble.