Galaxy de list mon

5y

I don't even like the Beatles and I disagree. Beatles WERE the zeitgeist of the 60s. Bowie was a big part of the overall 70s zeitgeist but he was not the only one moving the cultural needle and certainly not as historically as the Beatles were a decade prior (my bias against their music aside)

Fries

5y

I can't think of anyone who deserves the 70s title more than him tho, The Beatles and Dylan especially as Elric said, were on a different level, the 70s definitely didn't have as much of a monoculture, teenagers have always seen their favourite artists as superhumans, but nobody commanded the level of intrigue and devotion as Dylan did in the 60s and I don't think anyone has since.

Even with that tho, I still can't think of a figure or group who came as close during the 70s in terms of consistent cultural influence as Bowie

Aruji

5y

people often forget the heart of the psychedelic movement. Hendrix and Morrison

Fries

5y

I'm definitely one of those 'love his instrumental stuff, can't get into his vocals' guys, Hot Rats is unbelievable but even the Mothers stuff doesn't work much for me, wish I could get more out of it

I'm curious tho why you'd say he was so important, don't know much about Zappa's history

Galaxy de list mon

5y

Are we talking musical or cultural impact? Musically speaking, Bealtes didn't really change s***, whereas Bowie teamed up with Eno and Visconti and made some albums much better by any of those by the Beatles. Culturally, Beatles are untouchable

Galaxy de list mon

5y

Are we talking musical or cultural impact? Musically speaking, Bealtes didn't really change s***, whereas Bowie teamed up with Eno and Visconti and made some albums much better by any of those by the Beatles. Culturally, Beatles are untouchable

rvi

5y

Beatles still did certainly change some s*** tho like work in the studio, approach to albums, perception of popular music as art. of course they didnt invent other thing but were also early with some stuff like psychedelia, country/folk infused rock. but yeah a lot of the change just comes from the fact that they were so gigantic so you can't really just credit them as inventors of everything

Galaxy de list mon

5y

@Koala @drjdeponytail gonna take a first round exit for people to finally realize Ty Lue never been a good coach Dude was a 'championship coach' but in reality, Bron ands Kyrie went God mode and won Cleveland a chip. Can't believe Lue was their next choice after Doc

Edit:

Koala

5y

Definitely a product of having superstars Lou is just a face that the players remember. The Clips should have put Sam Cassell as head coach who at least put in the work with the franchise.

But the Clips are just a mentally weak team, no other reasoning I can think of.

Fries

5y

I can't think of anyone who deserves the 70s title more than him tho, The Beatles and Dylan especially as Elric said, were on a different level, the 70s definitely didn't have as much of a monoculture, teenagers have always seen their favourite artists as superhumans, but nobody commanded the level of intrigue and devotion as Dylan did in the 60s and I don't think anyone has since.

Even with that tho, I still can't think of a figure or group who came as close during the 70s in terms of consistent cultural influence as Bowie

Galaxy de list mon

5y

I give more credit to George Martin's studio mastery than the Beatles themselves, although I do give them credit for trying so many different styles on the White Album

Galaxy de list mon

5y

I give more credit to George Martin's studio mastery than the Beatles themselves, although I do give them credit for trying so many different styles on the White Album

Galaxy de list mon

5y

Even if he gets the title for the 70s, I'm arguing that it still wasn't as momentous as the Beatles (which I believe was your original point).

Elric

5y

If the Kinks had wound up with George producing them instead of the Beatles

rvi

5y

yeah Martin credited for the studio stuff of course but I feel like that totally deserves to be lumped in with beatles. i mean he really was the 5th beatle and an absolutely key part of their art. not to give the individual 4 beatles credit for his work, but when talking about the impact art of "the beatles" art as a whole he should be in there too

Fries

5y

That's fair dude, I didn't mean like a 1:1 comparison but this thread is definitely making me appreciate more just how unique Dylan and The Beatles's place in music history is

Galaxy de list mon

5y

And again, I agree that the Beatles were the defining artist for their cultural impact (the album art, videos, etc.) but musically I can't get myself to give them much credit for "innovation"

Elric

5y

Nobody has brought up quite possibly the strongest discography of the 70s: P-Funk

They covered more ground than anybody, while keeping it very listenable (sorry Zappa)

Elric

5y

Nobody has brought up quite possibly the strongest discography of the 70s: P-Funk

They covered more ground than anybody, while keeping it very listenable (sorry Zappa)

rvi

5y

zappa listenable af outside of a certain few albums

i'm convinced that this absolute garbage is somehow what the Zappa detractors hear when they hear any Zappa

f*** the turtles. they ruined zappa for like a year and a half and then ruined sampling with their lawsuit

Aruji

5y

nah I like P-Funk but I find Zappa very listenable and he covered way more ground.

rvi

5y

he has tons of stuff where its other vocalists besides him too also feel like people really overstate the role humor played in his music. I don't find every single thing funny but I can easily look past a few lyrics I don't like in favor of the music. except a short period where the idiots from the Turtles basically ruined everything i understand he can't be for everyone but its always annoying to see people act like they're turned off entirely because of occasional some immature humor or satire they find pretentious

I'm not really one to call people the goat just because of influence alone. of course thats important and really cool but the quality of discography is #1 for me. a big reason for that is because popularity is a huge factor in how influential something was. For example I'm crediting the Beatles as goats because of their amazing discography, and a little less so their massive influence just because f***ing everybody loved them and doesn't mean they invented everything vs just popularizing it.

For me Zappa had more than double the amount of great 70s albums that Bowie did. and he was more innovating and creative (counting his fruitful 60s too of course) in an even wider range of styles I'd argue. Major innovator in the development of experimental rock/avant-prog, concept albums, jazz fusion/jazz-rock, comedic rock and satire, and artists crossing over into modern classical/orchestral music. Basically any rock artist who was experimental or weird at all bears his mark, whether directly or indirectly (like Mr Bungle, who he fathered even though they weren't fans). he made music in the styles of jazz, progressive and straightforward rock, pop, psych, musique concrete, doo-wop/R&B, even some electronic. And like Bowie his style of artistry and creativity was also influential to future artists. Not to s*** on Bowie's talent at all, but I'd also argue that Zappa was easily more talented as a composter and musician. And honestly might be the most unique musician of all time because of the range of styles and unique approach to them all, and the simultaneous extreme seriousness and ridiculous lightheartedness

directly influenced tons of progressive rock, basically all krautrock, Jimi Hendrix (introduced him to wah pedal), The Beatles, parliament/funkadelic, avant-garde jazz like John Zorn, Black Sabbath, bands in the vein of Devo, off-kilter metal like system of a down and devin townsend, and a lot of guitarists

TL;DR the literal GOAT

Elric

5y

These turtles?

rvi

5y

Beatles still did certainly change some s*** tho like work in the studio, approach to albums, perception of popular music as art. of course they didnt invent other thing but were also early with some stuff like psychedelia, country/folk infused rock. but yeah a lot of the change just comes from the fact that they were so gigantic so you can't really just credit them as inventors of everything