Jun 30·1 reply
Benny BoyInteresting approach. Haven't read anything about the making of it yet.
When she first turns it reminded me of interacting with someone experiencing a concussion. People will not make any sense and then seem normal and then break down crying or laugh at the wrong time. Very similar vibe
Yep she's confused at first and even sort of fighting it off or wrestling with the shift then it just overtakes her
They mentioned that approach in an interview when she was asked if she thought Bear had a shot with her or not pre-wish
- Jun 30·1 reply
Those feelings can absolutely blind you and make you misread certain things as being more than what they are
Jun 30mentalcase420I do feel some people completely misinterpreted the film to think Bear is the victim/good guy and idk how that happens because it was very obvious to me even before hearing all the interviews Curry and the cast did
Making the wish itself was innocent enough bc he didn't think it'd work and really who would? (He also wasn't considering the deeper implications obviously it was done out of frustration and panic) I'm sure everyone at one point in their lives has "wished" a crush would feel the same way they do about them usually when you're younger...the film takes that and uses it as a lesson for why ultimately you should respect someone making that decision for themselves rather than controlling their decision making for them and also comments on how obsessing over one person leaves you blinded to those who actually do care about you...a lot of other stuff too but yeah once he asks if he can just alter the wish and also when Nikki is in bed talking to him as real Nikki begging for his help and he's just "what's so bad about me huh?"...selfish and despicable...he also tries backing out of "saving her" in the end with the suicide but she stops him backing out by using his wish about her against him
Yes he experienced loss and was in a bad place emotionally which leads to a certain empathy for the guy but it doesn't excuse taking away someone's autonomy for your own win especially since he immediately sees something is wrong and rides it out rather than doing whatever he can to help her...ultimately he didn't care as much about her as he did himself and the void that "having her" would fill for him
The whole movie focus was the difference between romance and a love story . His issue from the beginning was he viewed them as tge same. Love story has no chase just has a win button . Romeo and Juliet instantly in love at first sight . There is no need for romance . With their intimacy that takes place before the movie and how close they are there is clearly the chance for romance if he is willing to face rejection and allow the rejection to improve him . His friend fears commitment . Sarah fears rejection of her college . Then only makes it clear she wants bear once he is preoccupied . They all have innate human fears that are perfect for supernatural to pounce on .
- Jun 30mentalcase420
Those feelings can absolutely blind you and make you misread certain things as being more than what they are
It’s a triggering topic for some so I get it . Many women have loved the story . Many have hated it . I fully understand both sides but I think viewing it as in anyway an excuse for his actions rather than the presentation of a character is a bad faith read .
- Jun 30·1 replymentalcase420
Yep she's confused at first and even sort of fighting it off or wrestling with the shift then it just overtakes her
They mentioned that approach in an interview when she was asked if she thought Bear had a shot with her or not pre-wish
I thought even before seeing the interview it was clear he had a chance . He just didn’t attempt
- Jun 30·1 replyHaroldsChicken
I thought even before seeing the interview it was clear he had a chance . He just didn’t attempt
I do think him being in a bad place emotionally didn't help with his decision making...it's not an excuse but after experiencing such loss he was somewhat afraid of pushing her away and experiencing another loss even though I'm sure she'd still want to remain his friend even if she rejected him as a love interest he just wasn't ready or willing to confront that and like you said actually take his shot
Some people can take that kind of unwanted interest and interpret as "they've only been my friend this whole time because they just want to f*** me" when it's not always that simple
- Jun 30·2 replies
Let's talk about Ian
Is he the one who kept their hooks up casual and secretive?
Did he give Bear honest advice or sabotage him?
Does he care about Nikki's decline or is he just salty about their relationship?
- Jun 30·1 replyBenny Boy
Let's talk about Ian
Is he the one who kept their hooks up casual and secretive?
Did he give Bear honest advice or sabotage him?
Does he care about Nikki's decline or is he just salty about their relationship?
Ian was just hooking up and didn’t view her as more . He was focused on partying then wanted to get back at her by not inviting her to party and inviting bear .
He sabotaged bear . Ian degraded or didn’t care about Nikki like that but used him . Freaky Nikki hurt her from bear because she views him as someone who genuinely cares about her .
Ian is just salty of the relationship and jealous of bear .
- Jun 30Benny Boy
Let's talk about Ian
Is he the one who kept their hooks up casual and secretive?
Did he give Bear honest advice or sabotage him?
Does he care about Nikki's decline or is he just salty about their relationship?
1) it was probably a mutual thing to keep it a secret although it obviously wasn't THAT much of a secret to anyone but Bear
2) probably a little of both
3) I don't think he cared much about Nikki but was alarmed and obviously got red flags from her suddenly taking such an interest in Bear since he's probably talked with her more intimately where she's made it clear she doesn't see him in that way
Arguments to be made either way for sure but ultimately Bear still isn't a great guy lol (so like I wouldn't say Ian is the REAL villain or anything at most he just sucks too)
- Jun 30·1 reply
There IS that moment where Ian flat out just asks Bear if he's ever tried flirting with her and I think that was a genuine way of being like "dude you're creating this scenario in your head instead of just going for it"
- Jun 30·1 reply
I think it's good that the film has opened up a lot of these talking points even if some ppl misinterpreted the creators intent because it's an important discussion
- Jun 30·1 replymentalcase420
I do think him being in a bad place emotionally didn't help with his decision making...it's not an excuse but after experiencing such loss he was somewhat afraid of pushing her away and experiencing another loss even though I'm sure she'd still want to remain his friend even if she rejected him as a love interest he just wasn't ready or willing to confront that and like you said actually take his shot
Some people can take that kind of unwanted interest and interpret as "they've only been my friend this whole time because they just want to f*** me" when it's not always that simple
I think them having s***so sooner rather than building up to it after the romance ( even if under control ) was a tough decision because it looks like assault and isn’t making eye contact or looking truly into it. That’s the first thing he wanted to do vs kiss hold hands and romance I think the movies greatest flaw is making the romance into a quick montage when the romance slowly building with dates into the horror would have worked for me . I get they wanted to limit public scenes based on sets and things . The work scenes didn’t add much to it besides direct interaction with Ian and Sarah that I feel could have been reinforced by them hanging out in other ways
- Jun 30·1 replymentalcase420
I think it's good that the film has opened up a lot of these talking points even if some ppl misinterpreted the creators intent because it's an important discussion
I think discussion is useful I think many are thinking of it in absolutes or projecting a bit . Rather than seeing its purpose
- Jun 30·1 replyHaroldsChicken
I think them having s***so sooner rather than building up to it after the romance ( even if under control ) was a tough decision because it looks like assault and isn’t making eye contact or looking truly into it. That’s the first thing he wanted to do vs kiss hold hands and romance I think the movies greatest flaw is making the romance into a quick montage when the romance slowly building with dates into the horror would have worked for me . I get they wanted to limit public scenes based on sets and things . The work scenes didn’t add much to it besides direct interaction with Ian and Sarah that I feel could have been reinforced by them hanging out in other ways
I thought they were showing their job so much because the boss was gonna get killed at some point
he lucked out I guess - Jun 30HaroldsChicken
I think discussion is useful I think many are thinking of it in absolutes or projecting a bit . Rather than seeing its purpose
Yeah there's definitely nuance it's not a clear black and white story lol Bear isn't JUST evil and Nikki isn't JUST crazy/possessed which is what ppl are wrestling with and not able to fully process
- Jun 30mentalcase420
I thought they were showing their job so much because the boss was gonna get killed at some point
he lucked out I guessNikki uses the boss gun guessing Sarah had the key on her . Without access to that gun Ian doesn’t die . Sarah dies because she says “ I have to tell you and if you don’t I’m coming over “ . They all tragically set themselves up . Nikki destined to kill others that care about bear more than her
- Jun 30HaroldsChicken
Ian was just hooking up and didn’t view her as more . He was focused on partying then wanted to get back at her by not inviting her to party and inviting bear .
He sabotaged bear . Ian degraded or didn’t care about Nikki like that but used him . Freaky Nikki hurt her from bear because she views him as someone who genuinely cares about her .
Ian is just salty of the relationship and jealous of bear .
Freaky Nikki hurt her from bear because she views him as someone who genuinely cares about her .
That's what I was leading up to. Her reaction to that is a big deal if we take Ian in good faith about how he treats her
Jun 30·1 replyHaroldsChickenCalling this an loser fantasy when he could have prevented it by being honest . He dies. His friend who was having s\*\*\*with Nikki is killed by her . The woman who truly loved him no wish needed dies . He kills himself . The fantasy for him is the horror to the audience. The fact he is accepting she has no free will is the horror to us. He isn’t supposed to be a likable character he is quickly viewed as reprehensible . We are on the edge of our seats to do what Nikki does next but in our heart we know she isn’t the villain the person who took her free will is . Its abhorrently clear the entire movie
It’s an loser fantasy turned horror. He wanted to f*** her. He got to f*** her. Had he been honest, not made the wish, and treated her like a human does he still get to f*** her?
I don’t think the movie pre-wish establishes any of that to be true. Which is why this is an loser horror fantasy. Bear could’ve still got friendzoned had he been honest with how he felt, especially considering she’s already letting homie smash. So in the end, he used his wish to make his loser fantasies come true.
Im not even saying an loser horror fantasy CANT be good, but I know this one wasn’t for me. Idk what the movie did or what the director has said that makes you think the contrary. You don’t have to argue against that being the central premise revolving around Bear. Premeditated sexual expectations is sort of the key social aspect that makes losers who they are
Jun 30
sir shrimpyI think Bear lost any sympathy or benefit of the doubt when he gets on the phone with the company and, when asked if he wants to cancel the wish, his response is “well.. what if I just wanted to alter it?”
Honestly, a part of me believes they would have canceled the wish if he asked, but instead let his only option be suicide because he was such a piece of s\*\*\*. He didn’t care about her suffering, only the consequences it was having on his own life.
This is 20 minutes before the end.
- Jun 30·1 replyBenny Boy
Re: "Bear is actually the villain"
The movie starts with him losing the only person he was close to: his cat. The grandmother he was probably second closest to is already dead. His friends call him a closed book. He's in a friend zone with a girl his best friend is f\*\*\*ing.
What is his ambition in life? To be a food critic? There's nothing there. It's a void. It's a cabinet full of pills in an empty house. Then his wish comes true. Are his actions selfish and cruel beyond that point? Absolutely. The story is set up to make it impossible for him to let go which allows the story to progress where it does. Hence "or you could kill yourself". There's already a gun to his head.
The lesson of that story comes in recognizing Sarah, someone who allowed him to grieve, someone with an interest in him. Nikki finds her character in mental illness, substance abuse, toxic codependence, bullying (Freaky Nikki). Bear is a villain the same way magic is real. That's not really what the movie is about.
Bingo
Edit: Nvm, I read this as more negative
- Jun 30Fella
Bingo
Edit: Nvm, I read this as more negative
More negative?
- Jun 30
The mechanics of the movie make any real world allegory feel muddled. It’s terrible if you’re seriously evaluating this as a genuine commentary on modern gender dynamics. However, it’s fine enough as a darkly comedic, extended Twilight Zone episode.
- Jun 30IcyNeck
It’s an loser fantasy turned horror. He wanted to f*** her. He got to f*** her. Had he been honest, not made the wish, and treated her like a human does he still get to f*** her?
I don’t think the movie pre-wish establishes any of that to be true. Which is why this is an loser horror fantasy. Bear could’ve still got friendzoned had he been honest with how he felt, especially considering she’s already letting homie smash. So in the end, he used his wish to make his loser fantasies come true.
Im not even saying an loser horror fantasy CANT be good, but I know this one wasn’t for me. Idk what the movie did or what the director has said that makes you think the contrary. You don’t have to argue against that being the central premise revolving around Bear. Premeditated sexual expectations is sort of the key social aspect that makes losers who they are
I think he wanted more than s***with her is what I’m getting at . He didn’t want to feel alone . He wanted a love story which is what the montage was. What he lacked though was wanting romance which would include the ups and downs and loving someone when they imperfect . I think the s***again came too soon . If that was all he wanted though there would be more of it or he would completely turn off from her after . I think it’s fair to say he liked her
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