Water Giver

2y

Its just Kendrick continued point from Euphoria that Drake is not the same person that he was when they were cool back on TC to NWTS.

One of the 3 major points of Kendrick in all his disses that started on Euphoria is that Drake has been acting more and more stereotypically American black as the years go on when that is not who he is nor does he have any bases in it. And that Drake is a completely different person now than back then.

Such as his Canada lines, how many features till you feel like you black enough line, you have to adapt to America to get big etc.

Idiots think its colorism bars just like Drakes dumbass who also missed the point of that and multiple other songs/lines, but its deeper and its not about him being mixed & its clear as day, especially on Euphoria & Not Like Us (which the title of NLU is even on that subject, hes literally not like us while trying so hard to be like us).

Yes Drake collabing with these artists does help them out to whatever degree, BUT people forget it ALSO HELPS DRAKE as well. It got Drake in more clubs, got Drake in the "streets" when street niggas used to hate Drake the most, changed Drakes soft & "Drake the type of nigga" image & made him more popular with black people in general.

And yes, collabing with artists outside your element isnt a bad thing in itself, but when YOU start pretending thst youre also of that same element as the artists youre collabing with just because youre around them, thats when it gets fishy. And we would and do clown literally everyone else that does that. Such as Post Malone, the random white kid that pops up every few years pretending to be drill, Tecca etc.

There is a clear difference of Drake after Nothing Was the Same, nothing was literally not the same afterwards, and thats one of Kendrick's point. And Kendrick futher point is that he let it get to his head to where he thinks he is actually like those street artists. Pump faking & a poser.

You (Drake) become more and more "American black" & you become more and more of a sicko as the years go on which this is not who you were at all when I knew you.

And again, he gives the most examples in Euphoria & Not Like Us.

Drake is not like us, but he is trying so damn hard to be like us. And it weird and pathetic. Just be you.

And theres multiple examples as well even outside Kendrick. Such as the Wayne call interview when he first signed him "keep it Canadian", to Drake living in a upper middle class neighborhood and being a literal actor, Drake being more for the ladies & downbad guys but now its about guns and mob life etc.

Thats what the "angle" is about. And it started on Euphoria. And goes into the point of Kendrick saying youre not true to yourself, & deeper than just that, you are also lost in the sauce way too much.

Drake, for years now, is trying very hard "to be down".

Zero

2y

thats why they all came out and defended him right?

JJThaJuiceman

2y

No nigga

And you posting on KTT

And you got a KTT account?

magnolias

2y

People are not allowed to be passionate about art anymore?

Zack From The Six

2y

Show me where any of them said Drake used them or their city?

BRAVE

2y

So in your defense of The Colonizer you sum it all up to say he’s gonna keep up the colonizing and there’s nothing we can do about it. Great

deleteduser579

2y

…except the points being levied in this thread haven’t criticized cultures influencing each other let alone art

no one is saying that cultures and art grow in a vacuum away from influences, what’s being put into question here or at least trotted out, is that Drake has a tendency to act like he’s from a culture that he isn’t, in addition to jumping on rising waves and trends that introduce him to new audiences, whitewash his image (by linking up with “street” guys like Migos and Future) that ultimately further his career by giving him an entirely new facet of his persona to explore, let alone sounds, slang and whatever else he can spin in his music

you mention philosophy, someone like Saint Aquinas for example, based a solid portion of his entire philosophy for Catholicism off of Aristotelianism, albeit he was inspired by Aristotle, he wasn’t acting like he was a Greek philosopher. he didn’t act like he was an Hellenist. he didn’t adopt Greek mannerisms, accents or claim that he was from there. he made it clear where he got his inspiration from and didn’t feel the need to monkey see monkey do the Greeks simply because he liked Aristotle so much, that’s pretty much the issue here

no one likes a poser

orobi

2y

To me its a whole flip on the angle drake takes of "i put you on" "my picture on the wall when you cook up"

He tries to use that as way to try to son every rapper but kendrick and future flipped it basically saying you are the fan and u do it to benefit your career just as much if not more than ours

Its a little exaggerated but its one of thr best disses and drake rly didnt have much to say against it

deleteduser579

2y

yeah i was just gonna say this lol

drake is way more egregious with what he does, if JAY collabed with Cudi and then started trying to hum and ape his sound then he would’ve gotten called out for it

i think people let drake slide with some plausible deniability due to him being somewhat racially vague honestly

if someone like Carti for example started rapping like a Griselda nigga, people would get on his ass for it lol

magnolias

2y

Like if you look at the difference in an artist like Kanye, who has taken inspiration from numerous sounds and styles and cultures over the years, he’s never once been called anything like a culture vulture. Because he becomes inspired by other scenes and then inserts himself into it, rather then pretending to be a part of the scene itself

Zack From The Six

2y

Yeah man, im sure the guy who has sold 100x more than them is the fan. and im sure the guy who could release a 5x platinum solo song tomorrow if he wanted to is benefiting more than those who had to rely on HIM to have those kind of certifications

deleteduser579

2y

yeah i was just gonna say this lol

drake is way more egregious with what he does, if JAY collabed with Cudi and then started trying to hum and ape his sound then he would’ve gotten called out for it

i think people let drake slide with some plausible deniability due to him being somewhat racially vague honestly

if someone like Carti for example started rapping like a Griselda nigga, people would get on his ass for it lol

WRU

2y

I got on yachtys ass (pause) for rapping like MIKE over a lo fi beat for one of his new singles. and thats after a whole detroit era and wearing carhartts in his interviews that he barely acknowledges now

theres a reason why Yachty is close with Drake, I feel like they look at a lot of this s*** kinda similarly

9thWonderful

2y

I love how disappointed he sounds in the beginning of that.

"Once upon a time, all of us was in chains, homie still doubled down calling us some slaves "

Zack From The Six

2y

Don't forget Rick Ross. He also tried to run with this angle but he is the very same guy who begged Drake for a feature on his album a few months ago

They all some fake b****es and yall eat it up because u hate the person it's about

Osage_

2y

It’s probably been reiterated a million times on this forum but the problem people are pointing out is the switch up Drake made over the last 3-4 albums and the validity behind the experiences he promotes and portrays

Hip hop is built on authenticity and nobody would have a problem with him if he stayed true to himself instead of leeching off regional artist

Osage_

2y

It’s probably been reiterated a million times on this forum but the problem people are pointing out is the switch up Drake made over the last 3-4 albums and the validity behind the experiences he promotes and portrays

Hip hop is built on authenticity and nobody would have a problem with him if he stayed true to himself instead of leeching off regional artist

Projecteur

2y

Yet tons of great artists and thinkers were posers and LARPers: Shakespeare, Rimbaud, Pound, Hemingway, even Orson Wells to some extent. This is just another aspect of cultural appropriation which is itself a necessary process. Your answer doesn’t refute anything I’ve said.

As for Aquinas, he didn’t LARP as a Greek because they were pagans, it’s pretty obvious. So your comparison isn’t relevant.

WRU

2y

I got on yachtys ass (pause) for rapping like MIKE over a lo fi beat for one of his new singles. and thats after a whole detroit era and wearing carhartts in his interviews that he barely acknowledges now

theres a reason why Yachty is close with Drake, I feel like they look at a lot of this s*** kinda similarly

Zack From The Six

2y

Two problems with this message:

1) ''validity behind the experiences he promotes and portrays''. This applies to 95% of the most listened to rappers. Most of them rap about stuff they haven't been doing.. But people only bring it up when it's Drake

2) ''leeching off regional artists''. So experimenting as an artist or showing love to a specific sound or artist is a problem now? Letting people eat by popularizing it is a bad thing now?