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  • Dec 10, 2022
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    twentytwenty

    Yeah I’m thinking to myself, both sides are pretty ass… I find myself heavily nodding at leftist rhetoric but the actual situations in these leftist countries are pretty dreadful. More right wing countries are usually better off it seems. Both extremes seem pretty crappy in general.

    Genuine question: What do you see as the left and the right? What are those left wing and right wing countries?

  • Semi 🐬
    Dec 10, 2022
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    Womanpuncher69

    The left and right divide came from the french revolution, to sum it up the left in general tend to be the more progressive side and the right the conservatives this is from the seats where each side respectively sat on during the assemblies

    Wait seriously.

    The f***ing scale of left right people view politics as came from seating. That's fantastic.

    The world would be radically different if the seating wasn't split like that. Incredibly different

  • Semi 🐬
    Dec 10, 2022

    I'm actually mad

  • Semi 🐬
    Dec 10, 2022

    Dumbasses

  • Semi 🐬
    Dec 10, 2022

    I think changing seating could bring about world peace.

    Guaranteed actually. I solved all the words problems

  • Dec 10, 2022
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    Semi

    Wait seriously.

    The f***ing scale of left right people view politics as came from seating. That's fantastic.

    The world would be radically different if the seating wasn't split like that. Incredibly different

    it still would have been the same it’s the most progressive/revolutionary people sat on the left side while the more conservative forces sat on the right side, if they swapped seats nothing would have changed expect for what we call left and right

  • Dec 10, 2022
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    Semi

    Wait seriously.

    The f***ing scale of left right people view politics as came from seating. That's fantastic.

    The world would be radically different if the seating wasn't split like that. Incredibly different

    no it wouldn’t lol

    Y’all have such strange conceptions of history and politics lol

  • Globohomo LGBTQ2IAOPQWETYUIOPBBQ+ anarchists (but massive police state so nobody can have a gun) vs. Hillbilly Gilligans that are somehow Libertarian and pro-Nazi Germany at the same time

  • Dec 10, 2022
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    Lein

    Genuine question: What do you see as the left and the right? What are those left wing and right wing countries?

    Left wing - South American countries like Venezuela, Cuba
    Right wing- the U.S, Greater europe

  • Dec 10, 2022
    internet buddy

    The left wants order and the right wants chaos

    Feel like I'm in Star Wars right now this s*** lit

  • Dec 10, 2022

    social politics:
    left - gay (transgender)
    right - gay (pederasty)

    economics:
    left - father issues
    right - mother issues

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    Lein

    Historically, the right has always been those who defer to societal hierarchy and resist attempts to change it. I split the right between Conservatives who are content with the current societal hierarchy and Reactionaries who want to establish a different status quo. Since hierarchy has to have people at the top (patricians) and people at the bottom (plebs), rightists come up with justifications for why the Patricians and Plebs are at their respective positions. The left have been those who challenged those justifications and opted to abolish the hierarchy be it the divine right of kings, racial caste, class, etc etc. This is a simplified explanation but I think you can apply it pretty universally.

  • Semi 🐬
    Dec 10, 2022
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    Womanpuncher69

    it still would have been the same it’s the most progressive/revolutionary people sat on the left side while the more conservative forces sat on the right side, if they swapped seats nothing would have changed expect for what we call left and right

    No, I'm not talking switching sides, im talking the disintegration of the arbitrary scales we tend to divide politics up on in a systematic way by reshaping the physical way in which they are perceived.

    No sides, it physically and thereby mentally creates more division. Dispersed seating is my suggestion.

    If you have "left" , "right" you inherently start at a place of non union, and set the premise for people to view things on a sliding scale.

  • Semi 🐬
    Dec 10, 2022
    Sir Real

    no it wouldn’t lol

    Y’all have such strange conceptions of history and politics lol

    I'm strange

  • Dec 10, 2022
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    Semi

    No, I'm not talking switching sides, im talking the disintegration of the arbitrary scales we tend to divide politics up on in a systematic way by reshaping the physical way in which they are perceived.

    No sides, it physically and thereby mentally creates more division. Dispersed seating is my suggestion.

    If you have "left" , "right" you inherently start at a place of non union, and set the premise for people to view things on a sliding scale.

    lmao you’re a moron

  • Semi 🐬
    Dec 10, 2022
    Sir Real

    lmao you’re a moron

    Explain

  • Dec 10, 2022
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    twentytwenty

    Left wing - South American countries like Venezuela, Cuba
    Right wing- the U.S, Greater europe

    Okay you answered my question about countries but I'm also asking your definition of left and right. In modern times, I say the left is socialist and the right is capitalist. Liberals (think the American Democrats, Canadian Liberals, British Labour, etc) are not part of the left. I'll try to answer your question about countries in this post.

    The reasons for why any country has low standards of living are manifold and cannot be chalked up to a Capitalism/Socialism binary. Capitalist countries make up the overwhelming majority of the poorest, most underdevelopped countries on the planet. The world's richest countries are also all capitalist. Thats because most countries in the world are capitalist. But historically, the dynamics that produce massive radical left wing movements are disproportionately found in poor/underdevelopped countries.

    You picked the examples of Cuba and Venezuela, both were underdevelopped countries when they took a left turn. Now I don't know enough about Venezuela, but Cuba took a socialist path of development and it was succesful. They decreased poverty, inequality, infant mortality, increased life expectancy, literacy, calorie intake, industrial development, etc. Cuba has gone through numerous economic hardships in the past 30 years (just like capitalist countries), most notably the loss of its biggest trade partner, which has made life harder for Cubans. Yet Cuba still has a higher standard of living than the capitalist countries which surround it, many of which had similar or better living conditions at the time of the revolution.

    We also have to remember Cuba and Venezuela, especially Cuba, are placed under extreme sanctions that put enormous strain on their economies. In the case of Cuba, an internationally condemned American blockade which severely restricts trade with the rest of the world. These are exceptional conditions few countries have to deal with. And even with such a handicaps, Cubans have better healthcare, housing, and education than most of their neighbours.

    Now when we compare the capitalist countries on a right to left spectrum, it's inaccurate to say life is better in the right wing countries by basically any metric. You brought up the US and Western Europe, who usually have more "left wing" policies than America. Stronger regulations, more social benefits, less inequality, etc etc. They live longer, work less, have more vacations, cheaper education/healthcare, etc. Capitalist countries with the most right wing economic policies are usually s***tier places to live than their more "left wing" peers. Of course all these gains are being eroded because social reform under Capitalism is perpetually undermined.

  • Dec 10, 2022
    Lein

    Okay you answered my question about countries but I'm also asking your definition of left and right. In modern times, I say the left is socialist and the right is capitalist. Liberals (think the American Democrats, Canadian Liberals, British Labour, etc) are not part of the left. I'll try to answer your question about countries in this post.

    The reasons for why any country has low standards of living are manifold and cannot be chalked up to a Capitalism/Socialism binary. Capitalist countries make up the overwhelming majority of the poorest, most underdevelopped countries on the planet. The world's richest countries are also all capitalist. Thats because most countries in the world are capitalist. But historically, the dynamics that produce massive radical left wing movements are disproportionately found in poor/underdevelopped countries.

    You picked the examples of Cuba and Venezuela, both were underdevelopped countries when they took a left turn. Now I don't know enough about Venezuela, but Cuba took a socialist path of development and it was succesful. They decreased poverty, inequality, infant mortality, increased life expectancy, literacy, calorie intake, industrial development, etc. Cuba has gone through numerous economic hardships in the past 30 years (just like capitalist countries), most notably the loss of its biggest trade partner, which has made life harder for Cubans. Yet Cuba still has a higher standard of living than the capitalist countries which surround it, many of which had similar or better living conditions at the time of the revolution.

    We also have to remember Cuba and Venezuela, especially Cuba, are placed under extreme sanctions that put enormous strain on their economies. In the case of Cuba, an internationally condemned American blockade which severely restricts trade with the rest of the world. These are exceptional conditions few countries have to deal with. And even with such a handicaps, Cubans have better healthcare, housing, and education than most of their neighbours.

    Now when we compare the capitalist countries on a right to left spectrum, it's inaccurate to say life is better in the right wing countries by basically any metric. You brought up the US and Western Europe, who usually have more "left wing" policies than America. Stronger regulations, more social benefits, less inequality, etc etc. They live longer, work less, have more vacations, cheaper education/healthcare, etc. Capitalist countries with the most right wing economic policies are usually s***tier places to live than their more "left wing" peers. Of course all these gains are being eroded because social reform under Capitalism is perpetually undermined.

    First of all, great reply, thanks for clearing it up for me a little. Basically, I was watching this film called Le Petit Soldat by Jean Luc Goddard and it constantly made references to the left vs the right, in relation to the Algerian revolution, and I just needed more context as to what the differences are.
    Can I ask you one more question?
    I understand leftism for more than the right. What policies or ideal would I have if I was solely on the right? Libertarianism basically? Sorry if I sound dumb

  • Dec 10, 2022

    Maybe not an all encompassing picture but it seemingly has much to do with perspectives on "traditional" societal values

    not really sure if this is necessarily consistent across the entirety of the world but at least in the West the more right leaning individuals are tied to traditional judeo-christian perspectives and the left is continued progression towards emphasis on individual liberty (hence the term liberal)

    the furthest left people in America are pushing a worldview that enforces the individuals having the greatest personal autonomy and the furthest right people seek policy that enforce what they say (whether true or not) is rooted in some sort of theocracy where an established objective morality is the highest authority, not the individual. At least when you push each perspective to its fullest conclusions.

  • Dec 10, 2022
    Lein

    Historically, the right has always been those who defer to societal hierarchy and resist attempts to change it. I split the right between Conservatives who are content with the current societal hierarchy and Reactionaries who want to establish a different status quo. Since hierarchy has to have people at the top (patricians) and people at the bottom (plebs), rightists come up with justifications for why the Patricians and Plebs are at their respective positions. The left have been those who challenged those justifications and opted to abolish the hierarchy be it the divine right of kings, racial caste, class, etc etc. This is a simplified explanation but I think you can apply it pretty universally.

    @op my short explanation of what makes someone a rightist

  • NothingIs

    leftists want workers to get paid fairly for what they work for

    rightists want genocide

  • Dec 12, 2022
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    all you need to know OP is that the right wing is about to give a good chunk of power to a woman who believes that Jewish space lasers were causing wildfires in California and almost made a CTE-riddled ex football player, who rambled about pregnant bulls, vampires, and werewolves, a Senator. The left has its share of doozies as well though, unfortunately.

  • Gojira 🦖
    Dec 12, 2022
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    american leftism:

    -fight for freedom of the people against bad government unless the government is not america. in that case, f*** the people. america has the only bad government.

    american rightism:

    -fuck the people of america, we must invade all other countries and take their resources and make it a facade in the name of freedom.

  • Dec 14, 2022
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    fedora atheists on the left, religious on the right