literally read this last three pages and nothing from value from either side was said.

This is that divisive bs that is plaguing our community.

Lets worry bout black unity first

Like literally the main point of me posting that was to highlight that black men benefit from male privilege because regardless of their race, they are men at the end of the day. Have no idea how that's a difficult concept to grasp. S*** the talking points from both sides itt are even discussed in the f***in article which is how I know these niggas ain't even read s***. Main reason why I ain't been talking

It's like one of those lists where people just put arguments just to make the list longer.

Gay men black men are more privileged than straight black men. Them niggas get away with anything!

Black feminists are enemies of the black community and black men.

there needs to be a way to address the way racism is gendered towards black women, intersectionality as structural does a great job at that but the concept itself has been appropriated and gentrified.

i believe womanism does a much better job at protecting itself from whites appropriating it and it doesnt take a 2nd wave feminist approach to addressing black men's status comparative to black women. and white supremacy is our enemy bro.

nah bro, let's not do this

Personally, I notice the same dudes who fight so hard about us not having privileges being men are often the same dudes who hold extreme bitterness towards black women doing more than them. They also be the same niggas who go hard for dudes who have brought harm to women. Like I regularly witness that kinda s*** in real life.

I can understand why they do it. For some, they have that "Well the system is already so against us, who else is possibly going to stand up for us!?" kinda mentality. So much so that they might throw on the cape for s*** that is very clearly wrong. My response to that thinking is...y'all literally have nothing to gain from it, besides lookin like an a******, in most cases a nigga doing foul s*** is simply a nigga doing foul s***.

Men in general, regardless of their race, bring harm to women. That shouldn't even be something that's argued. Realistically we shouldn't even need stats and charts to prove that cause you can witness the s*** by just going outside, or since this is Rona times, just watching the news or reading the paper. With that being understood, why is it so hard for y'all to believe/accept that niggas be doing black women like dirt?

You ain't gotta like it. But because you don't like it you should be more inclined to learn how this s*** happens and what you can do as a black man to change the narratives. Cause all I see from a lot of y'all is b****ing and moaning and pettiness with that "Y'all don't even respect us so don't come to us for help" childish s***.

Black women have been excelling in education, careers, and lately even providing. Yet they're still receiving the most violence upon them by men of their own race. I don't know about y'all but that s*** is pretty crazy seeing as statistically, and even to y'all point systematically they're doing better than us. It's simply a matter of when you know better you do better. It's time to stop being so defensive and look at the reality of things.

I worded that wrong bro, but gay black men really be tryna s*** on black men with white supremacist viewpoints while ignoring that they themselves are black men.

I hate that phrase but niggas in here wasted valuable time we could have devoted on something else trying to arguing points.

The phrase has validity ( which people are trying to argue?) even if it misses the mark (phrase misses the mark terribly)

Yea them radicals are destructive

I just don’t like how much black men and women attack each other on social media for other races entertainment and tear each other down.

You don’t see any other group doing that s*** to each other on the scale we do. Also with all the problems that come with being black in this country people rather b**** in social media about straight black men. Foh straight bullshit moe

when we talk about patriarchy we are talking about the gender construction under white supremacy, when exactly did black men access privilege under white patriarchy? was this after, before or during slavery and colonialism? are you familiar with social dominance theory and the subordinate male subject hypothesis?

to suggest that black men have inherent privilege within white patriarchy is ahistorical as it not only ignores our current status but suggests that the european patriarchal gender conception was universal prior to colonialism, which isnt true.

this is the reason why the concept of a separate "black patriarchy" which aims and fails to mimic its white counterpart was introduced to the academy.

They separate themselves from the identity of black male due to their sexuality. As corny as it is, I can't sit here and act like they do it for no reason since it's straight black men and women who quickly devalue them and treat them as less than men. Gay black men have been told often that they don't fit the archetype of the "real black man" most of their life by not only white people but also their own kind so it's not surprising that they pick up rhetoric against black men and choose their sexuality as their main identity.

interesting page

too many black folks of all gender identities and sexual expressions are infected with coonery in their hopeless pursuit of gaining access to whiteness

And let’s be real most of the time we attack each other it ain’t even about privilege or nothing, that’s what they say it is but it really comes from racial self hatred. Let’s keep it real with each other

White men hate white women.
Indian men hate Indian women.
Asian men hate Asian women.

We are not the only ones. S***, surprisingly enough we actually do much less to our own women than men of other races do due to different cultural norms. It's s*** those men are able to get away with because they're men that we cannot because in America that s*** doesn't fly...unless of course you're white and got money.

With this being said, we still have the opportunity to be much better than those other men.

What these radical fems don’t realize in traditional African culture and Especially in black America our community is a matriarchy not a patriarchy

I seen a tweet where a girl said gay men attacking females as much as straight one and the gays came out attacking her under the tweet.

I get it that every race of men has problems with their women, privilege exist for men, no doubt.

but I don’t think they broadcast it the way black folks do on social media for the sake of rts or likes. And let’s keep it real a lot of the time black men and women hate on each other it comes from a place of self hatred for our race and seeking white acceptance.

We already know Chinese and Latino people chase white acceptance and have problems with their women but they don’t broadcast it the way black folks do. It makes us look weak and entertains other races and paints another picture of black dysfunction. You see where I’m coming from?

modern day twitter activists sound a lot like jim crow era segregationists...

1. statistics on IPV and sexual abuse are weaponized in a way which make these issues appear one sided, when in fact black men are the victims of these forms of violence at disproportionate rates compared to all other male groups.

2. black men are called "weak leaks", "bullet bags", "the white people of black people", and told "the police aint killing yall fast enough" and when they push back against it theyre told theyre just being held accountable and there is no malice.

3. the entirety of the divest movement, which ironically seem to acknowledge the subordinate male subject hypothesis but use it to suggest that black men are inferior and should be left behind.

black males are the only oppressed group where a PhD candidate and instructor can pathologize as violent murdering rapists and still keep a job teaching black children

It is a matriarchy. And it's been that way since the days of slavery as black women during that time had more access, for better and for worse. Which makes it even more wild to see black men do any sort of harm to black women. Our primary role in this matriarchy should be that of the protector. But the energy I've witnessed from other black men shows everything but that. What went wrong along the way? Have black men been trying to chase after the ideas of the white patriarchy for so long that it led to a change in how we view and treat our women?

I feel like this is something that should be discussed more. I think it's niggas who are trying hard to change how we operate as a matriarchy and shift it to a patriarchy despite it hardly being attainable due to us being locked out of the system. Which leads to an obvious clash of structures that ends up being more harmful to the whole of black people than anything else.

To make this entire discussion meet in the middle so we can build from it and talk, "Straight black men are attempting to be the white men of black people, but niggas forget this a matriarchy".