Dec 13, 2023·1 reply
Bobby_96Let's be real.
Neither Kanye or Drake are in their primes rn.
Kanye's not making 04-16 level music. And Drake isn't making 09-15 level music.
They both are capable of making good songs or even decent enough projects but they're both past their primes and people who aren't stans of either recognize this.
But they both left their marks and are the most successful rappers ever barring Eminem(who's the biggest OAT).
Kanye has a much stronger discography and influence but his rapping has gotten hit or miss over time with all the mumbling and sing songy lyrics and his post TLOP albums are hit or miss. Drake has the hits and the numbers and he can spit some decent punchlines but doesn't have a 10/10 album to his name and he dropped 2 of his worst albums(CLB and FATD) this decade. He suffers from quality control and, if his next album is worse than FATD, he might experience 2017 Eminem level backlash.
Both Ye and Drake are falling off quality wise and aren't where they used to be. Only stans on KTT pretend that they're still capable of dropping MBDTF and IRYTITL level music while gassing up any song that doesn't sound mid.
There's other artists we can turn to today for quality and creativity tbh like Tyler, Nas, Peggy, Denzel, Little Simz, Kendrick, Vince, Conway, JID, etc.
But they both deserve respect for what they contributed to music, especially during their primes.
My nigga Bobby_96 lowkey typed all this cuz he didn't feel like starting a war and telling niggas that Drake never surpassed Ye
- Dec 13, 2023·1 reply
browserTyler surpassed them both as the artsy mainstream guy
They’ve both turned into caricatures of themselves who have collapsed under their own brands and what they feel they have to live up to (constantly having hit records in the club and turning into gang leader shot callers via extortion)
Crazy to see Tyler finally getting his props on here cuz it was me and a handful of niggas catching slander for enjoying CMIYGL felt like there was a hate thread every week
Dec 13, 2023Ye has 5 albums better than all of Drake's
- Dec 13, 2023
Marvin’s room
- Dec 13, 2023
NoFacelock this
- Dec 13, 2023
When Kanye became a nazi and Drake came back with Her Loss
- Dec 13, 2023·1 replySegaDreamFlash
My nigga Bobby_96 lowkey typed all this cuz he didn't feel like starting a war and telling niggas that Drake never surpassed Ye
Lol...good point.
But it's all pointless because many artists are judged by their primes, not necessarily how good/hot they are atm.
There was a time when MJ aka the King Of Pop was dropping music beneath his level and he got grilled for it but he's still revered musically.
Ditto for Prince who started getting inconsistent at various points in his career while having his rebound moments. Prince's music at one point was getting panned like crazy by critics despite him still being musically innovative with his work.
Judging Kanye strictly off of 2022-2023(where he technically hasn't even dropped a true album) is just a weird metric.
Yeah...Ye fell off and is past his prime but his 04-16 run is still cemented in music history.
Drake's run from 09-16 is also cemented in music history(I include Views mainly because of it being the album that made Drake a global superstar).
Drake might be better than Ye atm but that's not saying much.
Tons of rappers have dropped better music than Eminem for a long time but Eminem's 09-03 reign is still cemented. 50 Cent fell off years ago but he's still selling out shows based on his 02-07 reign.
When you factor in ages and generations, Drake SHOULD be better than Kanye. The younger rappers should always take the throne from the old guard at some point. That's how rap has always been. But Drake simply hasn't come close to the artistic and quality highs of Ye's prime.
Aside from Kendrick, there's not a single rapper in history who hasn't dropped at least one "meh" or mid album in their career. Even Outkast's last album was met with mixed reviews.
Dec 13, 2023·2 repliesSkinn FoleyDrake has left an overall bigger impact on hip hop than Kanye
Take Care/NWTS/Views/Scorpion are considerably bigger than anything Ye has dropped and TC/NWTS are certified classics. Of course Ye has classics but talk to me when he's got a Diamond album, which Drizzy is probably on track to getting 3 of at least
This is embarrassing bait, try to pick up a hobby or something dude
- Dec 13, 2023Bobby_96
Lol...good point.
But it's all pointless because many artists are judged by their primes, not necessarily how good/hot they are atm.
There was a time when MJ aka the King Of Pop was dropping music beneath his level and he got grilled for it but he's still revered musically.
Ditto for Prince who started getting inconsistent at various points in his career while having his rebound moments. Prince's music at one point was getting panned like crazy by critics despite him still being musically innovative with his work.
Judging Kanye strictly off of 2022-2023(where he technically hasn't even dropped a true album) is just a weird metric.
Yeah...Ye fell off and is past his prime but his 04-16 run is still cemented in music history.
Drake's run from 09-16 is also cemented in music history(I include Views mainly because of it being the album that made Drake a global superstar).
Drake might be better than Ye atm but that's not saying much.
Tons of rappers have dropped better music than Eminem for a long time but Eminem's 09-03 reign is still cemented. 50 Cent fell off years ago but he's still selling out shows based on his 02-07 reign.
When you factor in ages and generations, Drake SHOULD be better than Kanye. The younger rappers should always take the throne from the old guard at some point. That's how rap has always been. But Drake simply hasn't come close to the artistic and quality highs of Ye's prime.
Aside from Kendrick, there's not a single rapper in history who hasn't dropped at least one "meh" or mid album in their career. Even Outkast's last album was met with mixed reviews.
Agreed with pretty much everything here. I say it all the time that when people debate MJ / Lebron they're talking about their prime runs no one cares about the Wizards run and s***
Zaywop 💊Dec 13, 2023When NWTS and Yeezus dropped in the same year
- Dec 13, 2023·1 replyshaleirose
This is embarrassing bait, try to pick up a hobby or something dude
Remember when KTT used to be annoyed by Eminem stans bringing up how his massive sales and popularity make him the automatic GOAT?
Funny how the niggas who d***ride sales still pretend that Shady doesn't exist when he's still factually the biggest rapper OAT.
Em just outsold Led Zepellin in album sales this year and he currently has close to 70 million Spotify monthly listeners without dropping an album since the start of 2020.
975wabd.com/2023/09/26/eminem-overtakes-led-zeppelin-enters-top-10-best-selling-artists-of-all-timeKTT is all about "numbers don't lie" until Eminem or Taylor Swift start breaking records lol.
- Dec 13, 2023·1 replyBobby_96
Remember when KTT used to be annoyed by Eminem stans bringing up how his massive sales and popularity make him the automatic GOAT?
Funny how the niggas who d***ride sales still pretend that Shady doesn't exist when he's still factually the biggest rapper OAT.
Em just outsold Led Zepellin in album sales this year and he currently has close to 70 million Spotify monthly listeners without dropping an album since the start of 2020.
https://www.975wabd.com/2023/09/26/eminem-overtakes-led-zeppelin-enters-top-10-best-selling-artists-of-all-time/KTT is all about "numbers don't lie" until Eminem or Taylor Swift start breaking records lol.
Oh yeah I know, they only value sales and numbers when it’s Drake’s. Every other artist’s ever has some kinda caveat that delegitimizes them
- Dec 13, 2023shaleirose
This is embarrassing bait, try to pick up a hobby or something dude
There were some egregious posts itt I just had to ignore for my own sanity son
- Dec 13, 2023·1 replyshaleirose
Oh yeah I know, they only value sales and numbers when it’s Drake’s. Every other artist’s ever has some kinda caveat that delegitimizes them
"They don't get played at the club."
"Black people don't listen to them like that"
"All their fans are White so that doesn't count."
"Who puts on Em/Taylor at the barbershop/cookout?"
Funny thing is: If you go overseas, people even in Africa love the hell out of Eminem and play his music more than many other rappers including Drake. Ditto for 50 and Tupac.
- Dec 13, 2023Bobby_96
"They don't get played at the club."
"Black people don't listen to them like that"
"All their fans are White so that doesn't count."
"Who puts on Em/Taylor at the barbershop/cookout?"
Funny thing is: If you go overseas, people even in Africa love the hell out of Eminem and play his music more than many other rappers including Drake. Ditto for 50 and Tupac.
A lot of people on here who live overseas have actually said that Drake is nowhere near as big in other parts of the world as he is in America
dawn 😹Dec 13, 2023Mountains2016 Kanye is not f***ing with 2011, 2013 or 2015 Drake IMO
respectfully
- dawn 😹Dec 13, 2023
xxxkiraxxxTLOP better than any Drake album and it‘s not even top 3 Ye
crazy d***eating
Dec 13, 2023browserTyler surpassed them both as the artsy mainstream guy
They’ve both turned into caricatures of themselves who have collapsed under their own brands and what they feel they have to live up to (constantly having hit records in the club and turning into gang leader shot callers via extortion)
When Tyler getting those number 1 hits, we gonna have to start adding him into the convos
- Dec 13, 2023SegaDreamFlash
Crazy to see Tyler finally getting his props on here cuz it was me and a handful of niggas catching slander for enjoying CMIYGL felt like there was a hate thread every week
The craziest thing is that he's getting bigger and better from here and out.
This man had a lot of people interested in what he got next.
Dec 13, 2023never did. very unlikely that he will.
Dec 13, 2023When he came out being light skinned
Dec 13, 2023Kanye is the greatest artist of our generation and will never be surpassed, ever
Kanye is 1 of 1 and one of the best artists of all time
No one will come close to the beauty his art brought to the world
- Dec 13, 2023
1. This is shameless low quality bait, but yall gave OP 9 pages lol.
2. Ye a Nazi so probably at that point I can safely put Drake (and most artists) above him.
Dec 13, 2023browserTyler surpassed them both as the artsy mainstream guy
They’ve both turned into caricatures of themselves who have collapsed under their own brands and what they feel they have to live up to (constantly having hit records in the club and turning into gang leader shot callers via extortion)
The best take I’ve seen in this thread