Dankmustard Mobile

4y

imo, most people who are classically trained would classify themselves as a "Classically trained vocalist/artist/musician" , hence there is a difference there.

And regardless of training or not, Future has put his 10,000 hrs into his craft and has most definitely gained a solid understanding of sonic structure and melody over time.

So bad example.

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4y

So, call him an artist. Future has not put in 10,000 hours with a focus on specifically singing technique and he's not in a band. That's how the term is used. I don't understand why take something that has a meaning and try to apply it where it doesn't fit because of some perceived "connotation".

Dankmustard Mobile

4y

You said in your original statement that "vocalist implies..."
But the raw definition of vocalist is "a singer"

Didn't you draw a perceived connotation to make that statement as well?

Edit: my original argument better phrased, is that experience and training can have the same result.

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4y

Vocalist implies classical training and a focus on technique. Someone like Future calling themself a vocalist would be pretty insulting to a lot of people.

NothingIs

4y

idc if you like classical music, a lot of it is fye

but being elitist about it is wack

“only classically-trained singers can be considered vocalists” is extremely elitist. call them “classically-trained singers”, but everybody who makes music using their vocals can be considered a vocalist

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4y

I get it. Niggas always been on my ass about liking classical music. Used to carry a violin wrapped in bubble wrap in a duffle through the hood. Looked like I was going to hoop or something. I've finished my work for the day already though, so I'm bored as s*** and responding to niggas.

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4y

So, call him an artist. Future has not put in 10,000 hours with a focus on specifically singing technique and he's not in a band. That's how the term is used. I don't understand why take something that has a meaning and try to apply it where it doesn't fit because of some perceived "connotation".

Dankmustard Mobile

4y

You said in your original statement that "vocalist implies..."
But the raw definition of vocalist is "a singer"

Didn't you draw a perceived connotation to make that statement as well?

Edit: my original argument better phrased, is that experience and training can have the same result.

Malik Nabers Fan

4y

I see what you’re saying. People are gonna go crazy about this because it’s KTT, but I get you. There are exceptions though like saying “the lead vocalist” of a band, doesn’t necessarily mean classically trained.

But most times I see the word used it’s in the context of a classically trained singer.

cold mountain

4y

because lots of them want to try to dress up their favorite pet artists with fancy labels so it appears like they're more artsy than they actually are

it's no different how we have niggas on here who write thinkpieces on how WLR is somehow a neo-gothic punk industrial experimental rap masterpiece

paQlBQ

4y

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OP saying the loud part out loud. These artists are more business oriented than music oriented, they're not musicians, they're not vocalist. They'd rather call themselves artists instead of musicians because they aren't about the music

Tru2DisNotNew2Dis

4y

They’re salesmen.

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4y

Vocalist implies classical training and a focus on technique. Someone like Future calling themself a vocalist would be pretty insulting to a lot of people.

That was my quote. "Implies" "to a lot of people"

Note the keywords there. Also, it's not elitist at all. It's just how the term is used. You're taking a term that has a meaning already and trying to broaden it to include people it typically doesn't. Why do that?

rvi

4y

i really don't think vocalist always implies classical training and s*** like that

like in metal/punk its super common to call the vocalist a 'vocalist' instead of a singer when theyre not actually singing and are doing harsh vocals like screaming etc

but that is more in the context of describing a role within a group, a solo artist being called vocalist feels different maybe

Malik Nabers Fan

4y

I agree but metal singers specifically have to train their voices a f***ton to be able to do those harsh screams and not absolutely destroy their vocal chords forever. Probably more than the average pop artist

cold mountain

4y

that's the working definition of a vocalist dude lmao

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4y

I just saw your edit. I definitely think that experience and training can have the same result. But, with singing, I think experience leads to better artistry, not necessarily technical skill. Classical singing tells you how exactly you're supposed to sing something. You're supposed to understand the traditions of a piece and it leaves less room for interpretation.

Dankmustard Mobile

4y

I mostly agree there, but think you're underplaying the amount of people that can become technical through experience with not necessarily technical skill

mr get dough

4y

A musician could just be someone who plays music

An artist is someone who makes music, but they are still musicians too