I got two degrees in psych @op you got any questions you specifically want me to try to answer

if its not reproductable then it wont pass peer review, and wont be considered legitimate or published

Everything i said is from the perspective of someone who doesnt regard psychology as a real science. In reality psychology discovers the mechanisms behind psychological states and behaviors. Its not as accurate as something that can be described by math but its still a science

I am playing devils advocate to extract information

theres so many different areas of psychology, this is an extreme generalization.

I agree if you are talking about mentalism for example. But that's not really a major part of psychology outside of things like CBT/Talk therapy. And even then the more quantifiable forms of psych are becoming more utilized.

This is describing like, one part of certain disciplines at most lol. Psychology is not equal to mentalism, but youre mixing that with a form of behaviorism.

And even then, we can predict things like behavior with equations the same way you can predict chemistry/bio/etc things.

Circling back to my point, repeatebility is a requirement in psychology research, it has the same requirements as any legitimate research.

Please tell me what your definition is for 'psychological states' and I can break down a large amount behind that, especially connecting to the mention of accuracy.

its none of those things

Most undergrad psych programs are bullshit

psychological states like bipolar mania for example

tbh i think ur exaggerating how accurate psychology is. my therapist tells me bullshit all the time about supposed science behind bipolar

im not saying this s*** is str8 up useless but i think theres huge danger in overstating its accuracy. the fact is we dont know more about the human brain/mind than we do know

I agree, but I think a lot of people feel that certain psychological concepts are like intuitive and therefore view a pursuit of psychology degree as studying stuff that is like “well duh obviously that’s the way it would be” And kind of disregard the neuropsychological underpinning of a lot of psychological findings. I think this thread alone shows a bit of grievances towards the field. I’m doing voice to text by the way, But I also I’m curious if you meant like the title of the OP, psychology is neither stupid or easy or simple Or the body of the OP you meant it’s none of those

I don’t know I feel like I’ve tried to voice what I feel like most in the thread already, I don’t really have any specific questions. It was more like a “ Why do you think outsiders of the field view it the way they do, and at that do you even think they view it that way?” Type of thread. That’s cool you’ve got two degrees

The craziest ak lore lmao

Not op but someone close to me is getting significant mood swings and struggles with motivation, is that a case for a psychologist or should that person go a more medical route eg look for hormone imbalance or some sort of deficit in their body etc?

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Tell that to advertisers and the media who pour money into programming our minds using pretty easy but sinister method. The people who get targeted the most need to be studied aswell

A disorder isn't a psychological state. Mania is an episode defined by psychological states, which are defined from observable behavior.

If this helps make any more sense, I and my whole side of psychology rejects most everything you're calling psychology. What we consider psychology must be observable, measurable, and objectifiable. Do not care about anything else.

Part of talk therapists job is to dumb things down as well lol. Really any therapist needs to do this, I have to every day when training non-professionals.

I think outsiders view it that way because they don't know anything about it, so assumptions rule these beliefs.

Psych eval 100% to start with. I reccomend this often if clients start to engage in observable mood swings.

I don't diagnose, but after a diagnosis occurs I write treatment with collaborating with other psychologists in different specializations. Since I don't know enough to diagnose, I regularly have to put in medical requests like this first.

Also, a psychologist is a medical professional. I practice healthcare too. If you go to a primary doctor or whatever, they will just refer to the specialist - being a psychologist who does evaluations, maybe specifically with mood disorders even.

philosophy has at least 5 branches: metaphysics, epistemology, ethics, logic, and aesthetics.

psychology is the study of the mind, but philosophy goes deeper and is considered the mother of psychology.

if you study both philosophy and psychology, you'll see that philosophy is more helpful. philosophy is an older discipline than psychology. buddhism which is a philosophy has been used as psychotherapy to help manage mental health with meditation and mindfulness.

william james was the father of american psychology, but he was also a philosopher and is one of the most influential philosophers and psychologists. carl jung was also a philosopher and psychologist who was influential. both william james and carl jung were some of the best psychologists because they were also philosophers. psychology is good, but if you combine it with philosophy, it is even more helpful. sometimes you don't even need psychology when you are already learning philosophy, but eventually you learn about psychology and even sociology.

Nah psychology is not the study of the mind. Most reject the majority of the concept of the mind.

Most modern psychology is heavily tied with philosophy, my field is inherently. Radical behaviorism quite literally rejects the idea of the mind and seeks to explain all mental processes with observable proof. The way it is broken down is essentially that behavior is what people say and do, and what people say and do is a reflection of the environment created by the movement of glands.

You seem to be mixing psychology up with mentalism, a specific branch of psychology that isn't really used the way it was in the 90s or prior.

A fun and major piece of modern psychology comes with/from the philosophical computational theory of mind, as well as skinner. It's all philosophy, until it is researched and proven. Then it just becomes psychology, in reference to these pieces at least.

go look it in up in a dictionary. it's the truth. if the dictionary says so, then it must be true. you're just being a contrarian to try to be cool and different.

Maybe it’s because confronting invisible things feels like you don’t have control like you thought? That’s a common thing to feel don’t end up like our elders who ignored invisible things because of pride lol

i had to watch my dad throw temper tantrums growing up over small inconveniences and the only thing that made me not end up like that is learning how to regulate my nervous system and the triggers i had

What’s your background as far as this goes ?

Dictionaries often do not have scientific definitions, and definitions vary wildly between scientific fields and within psychology disciplines. In my grad program I would have lost points using a dictionary term for anything lol

Your definition does not describe the mind well enough, but the primary issue is that it is inherently outdated due to the assumptions of what 'mind' means. It needs to be defined in a way that includes objectivity, and 'mind' is often considered a false concept. If we are talking about mental processes with their effects of physical processes, then it becomes more usable.

BUT - the biggest problem is that definition rejects determinism. You can't have modern psychology without that.

If that isn't philosophical enough, I don't mind breaking down more on this.

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might as well put this in now to help move the conversation forward a little

Skinner was influenced by John B. Watson’s philosophy of psychology called behaviorism, which rejected not just the introspective method and the elaborate psychoanalytic theories of Freud and Jung, but any psychological explanation based on mental states or internal representations such as beliefs, desires, memories, and plans. The very idea of “mind” was dismissed as a pre-scientific superstition, not amenable to empirical investigation. Skinner argued that the goal of a science of psychology was to predict and control an organism’s behavior from its current stimulus situation and its history of reinforcement. In a utopian novel called Walden Two and a 1971 bestseller called Beyond Freedom and Dignity, he argued that human behavior was always controlled by its environment. According to Skinner, the future of humanity depended on abandoning the concepts of individual freedom and dignity and engineering the human environment so that behavior was controlled systematically and to desirable ends rather than haphazardly.

i'm 34 years old. i started learning about philosophy and psychology when i was 14 years old after i was diagnosed with depression. my dad recommended it and said it would help manage my mental health. learning about philosophy definitely helped me a lot more than psychology and eventually my depression went away because of it.

i was raised roman catholic, but in my teenage years, i was agnostic/atheist. i went through different phases later on as a pantheist, panentheist, buddhist, and taoist. my favorite philosophers changed over time, but i was mostly inspired by soren kierkegaard, rene descartes, baruch spinoza, david hume, george berkeley, buddha, lao tzu, and the stoics.

i'm not young and depressed anymore, so i stopped learning about philosophy and psychology. i started practicing roman catholicism again because i want to be in the same religion as my family and develop a deeper connection with them. i used to be more interested in philosophy and psychology than music and anime/manga when i was younger, but now it's the reverse.