Sep 2, 2022Mariya Al Qibtiya
Sep 2, 2022·edited·1 reply
cold mountaindude that is not what you're f***ing saying holy s***
you are saying that the actual Bible, as a historical document is not f***ing reliable, oral traditions are naturally not reliable, THAT IS WHY THEY WERE WRITTEN DOWN IN THE FIRST PLACE DUDE
and as i expected, you ran off with the translation angle, you really are a scummy dude yo
translations are naturally liable to produce some errors and introduce additional text and co that was not originally founded in the Bible in order to instill a proper understanding in different cultures and languages, this is a literal f***ing given and is desperately pedanticalso you're overextending empiricism to something like historical verification, history does not work in "evidence" and "proofs" like science in the sense that you have to "prove" the veracity of a text or a document, history works and hinges upon on the given information and based on several other accounts, what is most likely to have had happened with all of the information that we currently have at hand?
this is why the existence of Jesus is rarely if ever questioned, because there's a manifold of sources that speak of him (Pliny the Elder, Suecetus) the burden of proof is on YOU rejecting the actual accuracy and reliability of the gospels and you haven't provided s*** other than the surface and base level critique of things being lost in translation over a period of f***ing time when we don't even exactly know when the Bible began to even be compiled
https://www.livescience.com/8008-bible-possibly-written-centuries-earlier-text-suggests.html
1) Where did I try to question the validity of the actual content with in the Bible? The fact you can’t tell me and no one really can for sure when the Bible was actually compiled completely is a criticism of itself and speaks to the weak foundations of that fairh, again compared to Islam.
2) You calling the concerns surroundkng translation and just summing it up as all the point is still getting across the spite languages is simply dishonest and lazy — the entire frame of this discussion is comparing Islam and Christianity and there’s a reason why Islam was dictated in one language and one dialect of that language.
I don’t know how you managed to go completely off-tangent and miss the entire point of thread and discussion being the Quran versus Bible in terms of complication and compiling of primary source —> written form.
Sep 2, 2022cold mountainim still waiting for one of you to provide me a source
what I don't rly grasp is where the basis for believing in the Christian god comes from
like I see you having all these debates about the consistency/correctness of the Bible which is neat and all, but what reason is there to believe to begin with
Sep 2, 2022·1 replycold mountainthe fact that most of these religions are based on the same exact things at their core should tell you enough, but of course, that doesn't fit your agenda nor narrative so it's ok bro
god exists and you'll be punished
It could say something about human morality but that's it lmfao
- Sep 2, 2022·1 replycold mountain
are you actually f***ing serious?
Yes you're just pathetic and can't stand the thought of someone criticising religion lmao
- Sep 2, 2022·1 replyBirdie· edited
1) Where did I try to question the validity of the actual content with in the Bible? The fact you can’t tell me and no one really can for sure when the Bible was actually compiled completely is a criticism of itself and speaks to the weak foundations of that fairh, again compared to Islam.
2) You calling the concerns surroundkng translation and just summing it up as all the point is still getting across the spite languages is simply dishonest and lazy — the entire frame of this discussion is comparing Islam and Christianity and there’s a reason why Islam was dictated in one language and one dialect of that language.
I don’t know how you managed to go completely off-tangent and miss the entire point of thread and discussion being the Quran versus Bible in terms of complication and compiling of primary source —> written form.
you came in here and said that the Bible was made up out of thin air, this is a direct attack on archaeology and the Dead Sea Scrolls, you are questioning the actual foundations of Christian theology, and historians who have literally verified the historical accuracy of the scriptures, not knowing when they began to be compiled is a flaw of science and human rationale, not of the actual works itself
it isn't lazy at all, because that's pretty much all you have to base your argument on
- Sep 2, 2022jordan at wizards
that’s exactly what we’re saying g
Everyone is lying then both the Sunni And Shia, and all the historians.. was Muhammad even real then??
Everything that doesn't look good for the Big Guy is either fake news or a weak hadith
Sep 2, 2022·1 replycold mountaindude that is not what you're f***ing saying holy s***
you are saying that the actual Bible, as a historical document is not f***ing reliable, oral traditions are naturally not reliable, THAT IS WHY THEY WERE WRITTEN DOWN IN THE FIRST PLACE DUDE
and as i expected, you ran off with the translation angle, you really are a scummy dude yo
translations are naturally liable to produce some errors and introduce additional text and co that was not originally founded in the Bible in order to instill a proper understanding in different cultures and languages, this is a literal f***ing given and is desperately pedanticalso you're overextending empiricism to something like historical verification, history does not work in "evidence" and "proofs" like science in the sense that you have to "prove" the veracity of a text or a document, history works and hinges upon on the given information and based on several other accounts, what is most likely to have had happened with all of the information that we currently have at hand?
this is why the existence of Jesus is rarely if ever questioned, because there's a manifold of sources that speak of him (Pliny the Elder, Suecetus) the burden of proof is on YOU rejecting the actual accuracy and reliability of the gospels and you haven't provided s*** other than the surface and base level critique of things being lost in translation over a period of f***ing time when we don't even exactly know when the Bible began to even be compiled
https://www.livescience.com/8008-bible-possibly-written-centuries-earlier-text-suggests.html
For such a religious person you sure are the only one throwing around insults like Oprah, you're a small brain, you're scummy, etc etc
- Sep 2, 2022Mesaih
It could say something about human morality but that's it lmfao
- Sep 2, 2022Mesaih
Yes you're just pathetic and can't stand the thought of someone criticising religion lmao
nah i can't really stand the thought of niggas who have read absolutely zero philosophy or religious literature in here actually acting like they've figured out that religion is a farce and god is a myth
- Sep 2, 2022·1 reply
im literally laughing irl, these niggas literally rage quit their religions because they were a slave to their urges and got scared, and now to cope, they cry out "religion is fake and god isn't real" to cope with the weight of their own degeneracy
- Sep 2, 2022·1 replycold mountain
you came in here and said that the Bible was made up out of thin air, this is a direct attack on archaeology and the Dead Sea Scrolls, you are questioning the actual foundations of Christian theology, and historians who have literally verified the historical accuracy of the scriptures, not knowing when they began to be compiled is a flaw of science and human rationale, not of the actual works itself
it isn't lazy at all, because that's pretty much all you have to base your argument on
No I didn’t you interpreted it that way. I was critiquing the Bible on the basis of it’s compilation and form. That’s not the same thing as questioning the events and stories of themselves told in the Bible. I don’t know how you even got that.
Especially considering the fact I’m approaching this from a Muslim standpoint, this is not at a uncommon perspective and It’s really funny you manage to misconstrue the argument.
- Sep 2, 2022
Dude is literally arguing about something that I’m not even saying lol I wasn’t questioning any content and stories within the Bible itself
- Sep 2, 2022
they think we’re gonna listen to a shias take on islam lmao
- Sep 2, 2022·1 replyKiryu
For such a religious person you sure are the only one throwing around insults like Oprah, you're a small brain, you're scummy, etc etc
yep because religiosity directly correlates with letting pseudo-intellectuals, spread misinformation and shake people's faiths with piss poor forms of argumentation and expressions of righteous ignorance, that's a good one my dude
you certainly picked up a lot of s*** from your Catholicism 
- Sep 2, 2022·1 replycold mountain
im literally laughing irl, these niggas literally rage quit their religions because they were a slave to their urges and got scared, and now to cope, they cry out "religion is fake and god isn't real" to cope with the weight of their own degeneracy
Why is that funny to you though? Where is the humor in that?
Sep 2, 2022jordan at wizardswhat’s the point in believing in it if you don’t think it’s right lmao
everyone believes in something I guess
- Sep 2, 2022·1 replycold mountain
yep because religiosity directly correlates with letting pseudo-intellectuals, spread misinformation and shake people's faiths with piss poor forms of argumentation and expressions of righteous ignorance, that's a good one my dude
you certainly picked up a lot of s*** from your Catholicism You can have arguments without resorting to insults my guy. Has nothing to do with religion
- Sep 2, 2022cold mountain
im still waiting for one of you to provide me a source
Source to the old Quran from Yemen? It's called Senna Quran. It's the uthman Quran that was written over another older Quran that has some different words and phrases but you know the message is the same apparently. Muhammad needed to make sure all his wives that spoke different dialects could understand this message
At-Tahrim 66
O Prophet, why do you prohibit yourself from what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
- Sep 2, 2022·1 replyBirdie
No I didn’t you interpreted it that way. I was critiquing the Bible on the basis of it’s compilation and form. That’s not the same thing as questioning the events and stories of themselves told in the Bible. I don’t know how you even got that.
Especially considering the fact I’m approaching this from a Muslim standpoint, this is not at a uncommon perspective and It’s really funny you manage to misconstrue the argument.
"The Bible is a random assortment of pretty much untraceable in origin stories"
yeah, you're a troll my bro, god bless
- Sep 2, 2022
im in absolute amazement at how bad faith these niggas are
- Sep 2, 2022·2 repliesKiryu
Why is that funny to you though? Where is the humor in that?
just because you're terrified you're gonna get punished by God for sinning doesn't mean he doesn't exist, it's hilarious because it's literally a coping mechanism
- Sep 2, 2022·1 reply
niggas are genuinely scared that God exists because they want to sin in peace
- Sep 2, 2022·edited·1 replycold mountain
"The Bible is a random assortment of pretty much untraceable in origin stories"
yeah, you're a troll my bro, god bless
The Bible is the complete form of all the relevant scriptures were talking about.
The complete form.
Word for word we have agreed that it is not possible to trace the exact compilation date of the Bible, who compiled it, and the sequence of changes in revisions which occurred that historians have also verified did indeed occur.
This is the criticism. You’re thick.
And again the criticism is coming from a place of comparing Islam to Christianity and its origin stories of its holy books from primary source to dictation to finally the written form. On this basis Islam is stronger than Christianity which has weaker foundations.
- Sep 2, 2022·1 replyKiryu
You can have arguments without resorting to insults my guy. Has nothing to do with religion
you're the one that connected religion with my affinity (or supposed to have non-affinity) for insults, so which one is it my guy?
