You know, I love Eminem truly, grew up to my momma banging his s*** too, but like...his music is unapologetic with no sense of grace, which is totally fine for what he was trying to do....but it was provocative then, still provocative to this day so I can't be mad if someone doesn't like his stuff because he didn't give a f*** either and let it be known.

Lol, yeah, I'm sure it was

SSLP and MMLP are some of the best for sure

"-Huge portion of his fanbase hates Hip-Hop and is unsubtly just racist (definitely not as much since he alienated them in 2017):

generalizing lol eminem has hundreds of millions of fans dude. It's like me saying everyone from the south f***s their sister

"-Has been ass for about as long as he’s been good (1997 to MAYBE 2010 with misses in between vs 2011-2023 where it was mostly misses)"

2011 was the year Bad Meets Evils album came out. It was dope.

Kamikaze, MMLP2 and some parts of mtbmb were all dope especially mmlp2.

"-He didn’t start dropping mid music, he started dropping COMPLETE GARBAGE."

Some songs like venom and untouchable and most of revival sure. But not all of its that bad.

"-His style of lyrical content was controversial even at the time and doesn’t translate nearly as well today."

Lol maybe if you're perma offended and a frequent Twitter user imagine being put off by Shadys 20 year old lyrics that were tongue in cheek and satirical btw

"-He didn’t die in the 2000s (It’s an amazing, beautiful thing that he’s still here with us. But he has to become old and uncool slowly in front of everyone’s eyes. That is a crisis that every legendary artist will have to contend with at some point and some artists struggle with transitioning and aging"

"Didn't die which is beautiful btw but damn he is so lame now" this is so transparent it's crazy wow. Bro had to relearn how to rap sorry he didn't make another freaking mmlp bro. He almost died but let's give the poor guy s*** forever cause he's not an angry 20 year old anymore. Look your other point about an artist struggling with aging is legit but I don't like the way you phrased that it just feels kind of fake because so many people are like LOL BRO EM GO BACK TO D**** U SUCK NOW L9SER U SHOULDQ DIED!!! Like it's just lame to think that way. Maybe I'm being less charitable to your response than I should and you likely didn't mean it but this whole post feels very snarky and feels kind of played out. Hating eminem isn't even cool anymore it's low hanging fruit picking on an aging legend who's doing his best in a tough climate he doesn't fit into. I know you brought this up, my annyonave was more at the people I mentioned of you're not one of them.

"-He has a profound love for Hip-Hop which he expresses in a way that’s considered outdated and corny to a lot of young people today."

-His fast choppy flow has been wearing thin.

Choppy flows and punchlines suck yes. Though some of the punchlines are guilty pleasures. His heavy duty booty like diarrhea line is lowkey funny af to quote

Imagine caring about an anonymous persons race on a old rap forum lmao couldn't be me. But go off king 🤴 😤 🤧

Old?

"His edginess is just cringe to me and his newer music is even worse."

I mean generalizing all his music to edgy is fun when Infinite, Encore, Recovery revival and parts of mmlp2 all exist. Plus he's always embraced his alter ego for his dark humored rants and jokes/intrusive thoughts and had more serious songs as well. He has plenty of less edgy songs. I mean people wrote Tyler off for the same thing and look at him now? Dude is singing about gay love.

"He's extremely technically skilled but he comes off as an angsty angry white boy and it's the kind of cringe high schoolers listen to"

I mean plenty of non white non high school people listen to eminem bucko. But sure there's plenty of that stereotype around. But who cares? What's your point here? Lots of hipster girls listen to Tame Impala but I still enjoy his music.

"If you still get enjoyment out of his music, new or old, more power to you. But popular opinion shifted on him for a reason"

That's fine. It's all subjective. But let's be honest it's over the top low hanging fruit to hate Eminem still in current year.

Im tired of the same lazy replies

-Edgy ✔️
-Old
-Too fast
Etc like okay but that doesn't make him bad either. And since when is everyone so soft? His shock value was amazing in the early 2000s because it was unseen and he was very talented too. Obviously he's matured somewhat though too. He apologized to his mother for insulting her over th years on Headlights off mmlp2. He started collating with pop artists (though this is a mixed bag because some of those artists are overplayed and boring) but hey he's not the same guy. He has changed and that's life. He's 50 bro.

KTT, the original forum buddy. It's been around a while lmao

its the bad music hes been releasing for decades now

Decades? No way dude.

Relapse 9/10
Recovery 6/10
Hell The Sequel 8/10
MMLP2 7.8/10
Kamikaze 6/10
MTBMB 7/10

yea pretty much

i do think the narrative now of “he didn’t have any classics” is just revisionism at best, he was on par with his peers

1. So many awkward hooks and beat choices, way too many to name them all

2. Being edgy to shock people tends to not age well for the next gen because they don't have the same context to inform them of what made him a lyrical pioneer in the mainstream

3. Massive decline in quality, which is what most people know of a certain age know Em for

4. He's kind of a grouchy b**** these days and unless you're someone who hates on modern rap it's hard to relate to that

I was like 10-11 when Em was ruling music circa MMLP but I wasn't into rap until a few years after that, so I only knew his hits. I respected Em's skill but never really connected with him like that. I started listening through the albums when I was 14-15 and didn't find them very consistent but I liked some stuff. I was more into De La Soul, Tribe, Outkast, Common, Lupe, early Kanye, etc.

There was definitely a point after the hiatus where I was more open to his music but I didn't vibe with those Relapse accents and the only album of the 2010s-present that I liked from him at all was MMLP2. Revival was f***ing horrible.

Look man you asked a question and got an answer lol. Just cause you don't like the answer doesn't mean it's not my answer

I didn't mean only high schoolers listen to him. Quite the opposite cause I don't think anybody that age listens to him currently. However, his older music gives me the same vibes as the other music I listened to in high school. The screamo Myspace rock that is just way too edgy and cringy now to me.

Somebody like Kanye, Jay Z, or ironically 50 Cent had music from that time that aged a lot better in my opinion and stuff I can genuinely listen to and get enjoyment out of

His stamp on hip-hop solidified but I don't think his edginess, even if he has grown as a human being, aged well

Bro Wayne had an emo rock era lmao remember let It rock? Haha. And Jay Z had death to autotune. Which hasn't aged well at all. I'm fine with your thoughts bro it's cool I'm just giving you mine pal.

Some fair points. Some are a tad recycled but I get it.

Sure he can be grouchy. But he's not always grouchy lol. He can be self aware. Listen to Bad Guy, he acknowledges his time is almost up and his hypocrisy and flaws about being a laughing stock. He also mentions being out of ideas on Guts over Fear and Fine Line he talks about fear of how he's turned into a hermit and misses when he wasn't famous.

Point being. He has moments of awareness and genuine interesting old style Em verses. But I get it tbe robot dad stuff can get old. Sure. I never liked the Oscar the grouchy recovery era. But mmlp2 was very creative and good. Kamikaze as well. He has those moments. He just needs to capture it and not let it slip.

Yah both of those havnt aged well either lol. But those are small parts of their careers as opposed to like 50-75% of Eminem's discography

And I mean hey glad you like him still. We all have different tastes

Cause he's been releasing crap for over a decade now

“read it again”

Fair rebuttal admittedly Em has more tarnishing points in some areas... I just see the potential classic inside. But I won't be a blind stan and defend his bad moments like that trump freestyle or some of those dad joke punchlines or some of those repetitive Skyler Grey pop choruses were tired of by now. I get it.

My main point of this was to at least give a listen to a few of his newer good tracks that prove he still got it but he just does what he wants and hes differebt these days and less hungry. I think in an interview someone asked him about the newer style of rap and he said "Yeah I wanna make music that's more technical not about sounding better" something like that. Which kinda sucks.

But I'm hoping with time he'll go back more to his roots and go . We've seen good flashes of this with mmlp2 and some recent songs. He just needs to do it more and return to the classic smooth like butter Eminem who almost musically aligns with a beat and ditch that tryhsrd stuff. Just one more classic would be nice.

Lol, okay son.

Stopped reading when u called him marshal

White rapper

His music is also just bad now. But he for sure deserves more respect