ktt has devolved into twitter with forum touches because of the userbase lol

and honestly stan twitter is much worse about this than here

op dipped after causing this

Some.peoples favorite artist wouldnt.make big 3 if hip hop wasn't about sales.

thing is you could always find interesting/experimental underground hip hop at any time period. But MIKE and Mach been around for a long time now. Tierra is promising but i'm still waiting for her to make a real project rather than just her 1 minute songs.

Navy Blue basically gotten his career off of Earl. I did like Siifu's features on the recent Avalanches but tbh wasnt a fan of his own music. The others I gotta check though.

My point was moreso about higher profile hip hop. Where you used to have Outkast, Kanye, Wayne, Kendrick, Dr. Dre, Tribe even artists like Danny brown, Vince Staples, MF DOOM, etc. all being able to become big names and experiment and rn that wave is just not there.

Feel that Little Simz is on pace to drop the best rap album of this year atm.

Nigga I literally just said this was happening before Drake was around, so obviously I get your point but it wasn’t his fanbase either because it was happening before Drake was even popular, literally clarified that already but I wouldn’t be surprised if you aren’t properly reading my post.

You can say that people started caring MORE after Drake came out but you can’t say Drake’s fanbase were the first people to care about sales, that is literally factually incorrect

Rap became a thing in part because people saw how profitable it could be.

...I never said they were the first people did you see my 50 Cent posts?

I think we been missing each other's posts in this thread i aint gonna lie bruh

The question: Who made hip hop all about sales
Your answer: drake stans

Does that not imply they were the ones who made rap about sales?

Mfs complaining about modem hip hop haven’t heard s*** like this

It's always been a mix of sales/business.

Trash

0 followers

actually the 1st thing I posted in this thread was quote your post sir.

And then a few posts down I quoted that other nigga that said white folks that can't culturally relate and resort to numbers for who's just better.

and THEN I followed that up with the em/drake stans post.

you can literally go to the 1st page.

I don't give a s***

Why would you consider giving anyone a piece of human feces

I remember niggas being rejective when I was posting about Michigan rap and now that they blowing up ktt love it lmao

You brought up digits, b****.

But I’m arguing with the drake stans post not that post and you were defending the drake stans post

If you acknowledge 50/Em did it then what’s the point of saying it was Drake stans?

I’m literally arguing with one specific thing that you said, and you’re like nah i made other post outside of this conversation that contradict the point i been arguing, you’re misunderstanding me! all im saying is you said “Drake stans” with no further context or explanation, you just implied it started with them so I picked that specific post and disagreed

Of course sales have always been talked about, but they didnt take over until recently. Now, sales is the only talking point. You can't say "this album is a classic" now a days without bringing up numbers. KTT is the perfect example of this evolution. Early 2010s Pitchfork and reviews were the bible on KTT. Nobody talked about sales when MBDTF, WTT, Yeezus dropped(i'm not saying literally, I'm talking in general. 15% sales talk at most). Now a days? Nobody ever mentions reviews anymore. And if you talk about the music's quality, somebody will be quick to bring up sales and numbers to dispute you. Its 85% about sales now. Even amongst my friends IRL sales is brought up much more now. Social media highlights sales and its easier than ever to follow numbers with each streaming service having charts and charts social media pages etc.. Its created a monster where sales are the end all be all.

Classic song

Reminder:

Scary Hours 2 - 300k
DLDT - platinum eligible
Best in the world - 500k
Scorpion - 6x platinum eligible
More Life - 4x platinum eligible
Views - 6x platinum certified
WATTBA - 3x platinum eligible
IYRTITL - 3x platinum eligible
NWTS - 4x platinum certified
Take Care - 6x platinum certified
Thank Me Later - 2x platinum eligible
So Far Gone - platinum eligible

I'm still meh on that wave personally

but it is wild it's a 180 all of a sudden because of Yachty lol.

They were playing this at a party once when I pissed myself