Thats just not true because he dropped most of that music on his own at that time, played labels Jesus Walks and All Falls Down and nothing happened until the Roc co signed him

He would have been Little Brother with better punchlines and melodies lol

Both.

Jay was already a superstar who would still have had access to any super rap producer he wanted tho he would’ve lost out some of his best work without Ye

Producing for Hov put Ye on period, bigger impact

i was just thinking we about the time where its now the Tyler/Cole/Kendrick/Drake role to put on the next guys under 25-30

A lot of people SEVERALLY underestimating Jay/Roc and it's sad. I get it was 20+ years ago but it was still a factor.

And those R&B dudes are not gonna cut it. No offense I love Party and Majid but they've had their time. The former arguably has influenced R&B for the last 10 years.

4Batz was not it, he needs someone that he can tap in with. Not a Beanie Sigel type but someone that can bring him into a realm.

He gonna also need to leave his rap ego aside and realize the big picture. Jay was able to do it when he saw Ye, though he had to accept it.

I’m always fascinated by this topic honestly, cause Ye always kinda bows down, reality is he carried rocafella in his own way as much as Hov & Dame did in the beginning

You think Capital Records would’ve handled YE properly?

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Doesn’t Ye’s impact on Hov start with some of the biggest songs on Blueprint?

Idgaf about oldies. I said what I said. Its all butterfly effect. Ye would still be Ye with or without Hov with your logic. I never denied Hov of his greatness.

kanye would of got left in 2009 if it wasn't for HOV

How would he have got on at all lmaooo he was getting turned down by every label and Roc only gave him a deal initially to do a Chronic style album where it was other Roc niggas rapping on it. The car crash, media attention from the car crash and then Thru The Wire is what broke his career

You niggas just know Murakami bears and “seven screen stage” and all that other bullshit lmaoo no context of how many other things had to happen for “Kanye West” to work. He did a lot of hard work but he didn’t just will all this to be. He owes a lot to Dame

His path as an artist you can’t really gauge what it would have been, he would always have been a relatively “hot” producer though

Idk, Ye being roc was a huge part of his image in early years, gave him accessibility to closely leverage his style and fashion sense against their image, & still be respected; jay giving him this platform to diversify his character really aided in his success

Lmao if kanye wasn’t available round y2k then jay prolly would’ve subbed him for Timberland, and eventually Pharrell, and then did watch the throne with Rick Ross

RD aint feature no kanye production

How much impact did Hov even have on Ye?

Heard this for the very first time but this is probably very true since everything ye touched became #1