OPMay 29·2 replies
afterimageWhat other mainstream album at the time was touching on these themes? I think it makes sense it got alot more praise once you situate it within the Uzi, Carti, Migos, RTK, Drake or whoever else dropped that year that was just typical rapper flex bs for the most part.
This was coming towards the peak of “yoo f*** the old heads, let’s have funn, it’s all fun music bro” era of rap
Nas, Eminem... I hear Black Thought did something in that vein even though I haven't checked it out.
- May 29·1 replyAisosa
Nas, Eminem... I hear Black Thought did something in that vein even though I haven't checked it out.
Nas dropped in 2017?
And Em and Jay can’t really be compared fully because Jay can touch on themes within the black community that em can’t
Revival aint the same as 4:44
What mainstream album in 2017 was comparable to 4:44
- OPMay 29·2 repliesafterimage
Nas dropped in 2017?
And Em and Jay can’t really be compared fully because Jay can touch on themes within the black community that em can’t
Revival aint the same as 4:44
What mainstream album in 2017 was comparable to 4:44
Life is Good came out in July 2012
Recovery was sometime in 2010 
May 29·1 replyAisosaYou're being deliberately obtuse.
No artist in the history of music has ever had all their albums behave similarly.
If I was trying to figure out what Taylor Swift albums are classic, as someone who's only ever heard like 3 Taylor Swift songs, I'll go to whatever number/view aggregating site, filter out recent releases, and see what albums > 5 years are consistently charting.
That's a more objective approach than anything else you'd like to name.
No one’s quantifies music classics in that way seemingly how most the listening public has NO IDEA of artists stats are fr while classic status is regularly discussed in causal music circles !! No one’s doing that to prove why they believe an artist has a classic
The most they’ll say it did numbers but that it in regards to commercial appeal
May 29·1 replyAisosaLife is Good came out in July 2012
Recovery was sometime in 2010Its crazy 4:44 was closer to when Recovery dropped than now
goddamn- OPMay 29Mondegreen
Its crazy 4:44 was closer to when Recovery dropped than now
goddamnTime f***ing flies
- OPMay 29·1 replyBmezy
No one’s quantifies music classics in that way seemingly how most the listening public has NO IDEA of artists stats are fr while classic status is regularly discussed in causal music circles !! No one’s doing that to prove why they believe an artist has a classic
The most they’ll say it did numbers but that it in regards to commercial appeal
Because niggas love to argue and can't ever believe their opinion isn't objective fact.
How many people you know right now would argue that a Billboard number one charting artist isn't popular because "they haven't heard they song"?
- May 29·2 repliesAisosa
Life is Good came out in July 2012
Recovery was sometime in 2010Yeah so that’s 5-7 years prior and a different era / gen of rap running the game
Point falls apart once you realize Jay was the only person post 2016 making an album like that in contrast to the new gen and even people like Drake and Kanye
4:44 was going to head with albums like Culture 2, More Life. Xo Tour Lif3, Carti S/T, whatever Tyler dropped that year, etc (some more albums I’m forgetting)
Your point is all over the place besides claiming Jay fans claim he was the first to talk about it
- OPMay 29·1 replyafterimage
Yeah so that’s 5-7 years prior and a different era / gen of rap running the game
Point falls apart once you realize Jay was the only person post 2016 making an album like that in contrast to the new gen and even people like Drake and Kanye
4:44 was going to head with albums like Culture 2, More Life. Xo Tour Lif3, Carti S/T, whatever Tyler dropped that year, etc (some more albums I’m forgetting)
Your point is all over the place besides claiming Jay fans claim he was the first to talk about it
I don't even know what you mean.
But okay I guess.
- May 29·1 replyAisosa
I don't even know what you mean.
But okay I guess.
… your whole point is “giving Jay credit for making grown man music” when the reason the album is popular is because of when it was released and the state of rap at the time.
you tacking on a bunch of arbitrary qualifiers like “it didn’t sell enough it’s not a classic” is bullshit for just preferring Nas and Em’s albums over it
Make sense?
- May 29·1 replyAisosa
Because niggas love to argue and can't ever believe their opinion isn't objective fact.
How many people you know right now would argue that a Billboard number one charting artist isn't popular because "they haven't heard they song"?
I’d call them boneheads the same way I’d do if someone dismisses an opinion that an album isn’t a classic because it didn’t outsell the rest of their own discography
The GP wouldn’t be able to pick a Morgan Wallen out in a lineup and can’t name not one album from him despite all his albums wrecking shop on streaming for months at a time with every release
No one in good faith could argue any record he has being a classic because of his placements on excel spreadsheets - OPMay 29·2 repliesBmezy
I’d call them boneheads the same way I’d do if someone dismisses an opinion that an album isn’t a classic because it didn’t outsell the rest of their own discography
The GP wouldn’t be able to pick a Morgan Wallen out in a lineup and can’t name not one album from him despite all his albums wrecking shop on streaming for months at a time with every release
No one in good faith could argue any record he has being a classic because of his placements on excel spreadsheetsIf a Morgan Wallen album continues to be consistently listened to by a large number of people 5-plus years after its release, then it's definitely a classic.
Your opinion about him sadly isn't weighty enough to overcome that particular metric.
- OPMay 29·1 replyafterimage
… your whole point is “giving Jay credit for making grown man music” when the reason the album is popular is because of when it was released and the state of rap at the time.
you tacking on a bunch of arbitrary qualifiers like “it didn’t sell enough it’s not a classic” is bullshit for just preferring Nas and Em’s albums over it
Make sense?
No?
The state of rap at the time was no different than the state of rap in 2010 or 2012.
Both of those albums bucked the trend as well. - May 29·1 replyAisosa
No?
The state of rap at the time was no different than the state of rap in 2010 or 2012.
Both of those albums bucked the trend as well.The state of Rap in 2010 was the exact same as rap in 2017?
…alright man
- OPMay 29afterimage
The state of Rap in 2010 was the exact same as rap in 2017?
…alright man
In terms of those albums being counter-cultural, absolutely.
I was active on both KTT and Boxden at the time, so I'm very interested in how you're going to educate me.
May 29·1 replyCrazy take but scorpion is the closest we’ve gotten to a Drake 4:44. His most mature album in drake terms. He’s regressed in maturity ever since but it’s making for great music so f*** it
- OPMay 29coldfire
Crazy take but scorpion is the closest we’ve gotten to a Drake 4:44. His most mature album in drake terms. He’s regressed in maturity ever since but it’s making for great music so f*** it
Case in point
May 29·1 replyAisosaIf a Morgan Wallen album continues to be consistently listened to by a large number of people 5-plus years after its release, then it's definitely a classic.
Your opinion about him sadly isn't weighty enough to overcome that particular metric.
Doja Cat has a rap classic folks! you heard it here first lmfao
- OPMay 29Valentine
Doja Cat has a rap classic folks! you heard it here first lmfao
The fact that you think Doja Cat can't have a classic says a lot about you unfortunately.
- OPMay 29·1 reply
Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer have classics.
May 29The big deal is that it was a good Jay Z album after multiple stinkers
May 29the bonus track 'adnis' is underrated
May 29
Prison MikeThis guy said Jay Z finally made self reflective content