vancouver might as well be called little china now bro

I think ive heard rick ross on like 8 drake songs and they all sound exactly the same

True but i wasn't gonna say it

I think donda's mid too lol.

At least it keeps me awake at the wheel papiangel

beenie man, bounty killah, and sean paul.

I forget drake fans don't acknowledge dancehall before 2016.

I. Think. Donda. Is. Mid. Too.

Dancehall was at it’s peak popularity in 2016 because of Sean Paul and Beenie Man? Lmao do you know the difference between 2003 and 2016

His music quality went down because he stopped using writers (not talking about ghost writers).

He is basically the only songwriter credit on his songs after More Life, maybe as a way to prove himself and others he never needed writers.

Maybe that's why it all sounds similar because he doesn't get outside ideas for songs.

I agree

I think there are some valid criticisms on Drake’s music but overall I’m very satisfied with his current output and if you put the CLB era up with any other era of his it’s more than competitive

They jus haters man
S*** slaps

Drake didn’t influence dancehall music to the mainstream in 2016?

In what ways does it sound similar?

You

Thanks man. I like After Dark and I even like a couple things about Finesse and Peak but they still all have this weird autotune, nasally singing that I just can’t rock with. Ruins the songs for me. Even though he’s not a great singer he still would make it work have some of R&B or Pop songs. Like compare his singing on Brand New or Shot For Me to Peak or Ratchet Happy Birthday.

I really do think he needs to switch up his subject matter. It’s been going on 10 years now and he still hasn’t it changed it much at all I completely agree about the whole ATL wave he keeps using. I honestly think he does it good but now we’ll enough to make truly great songs. Songs that should be on his albums should definitely not be those songs.

Like I’d have no problem if songs like Girls Want Girls, In The Bible, Way 2 Sexy or N 2 Deep were him being on them as a feature and not actually his songs. I think it’s good way to showcase that he can do what others can do well enough to be enjoyable and not sound out of place. Show cases his versatility. But it 1000% shouldn’t be in his albums. Songs for his albums should be reserved for showcases HIS style and or any style he does the absolute best.

Like you said I wish he’d collaborate more with people that pushes him creatively. I was really hoping that one of the Benny songs was on CLB I was so excited about it. I was also excited about Yebba being in the album I was so curious of what a song with them sounds like but she just had an interlude to herself. I hate when he does that it’s like he is shying away from anything that would make him make different type of music anymore. Drake ain’t growing as an artist.

I agree his delivery has become a bit boring over the years. The music is still good but go listen to how passionate he sounded on every project from 2009-2015 to now. It’s night and day. Feel like he was a much much more charismatic performer prior to Views.

Other than that he needs to focus on making truly engaging albums again. There’s A LOT of good s*** on CLB that gets lost in between boring ass unnecessary ass songs. It can really take you out of it as a listener, especially if you aren’t a big Drake fan to begin with.

And why was this album even called Certified Lover Boy? What was the point of a year long rollout with delays? There’s no sonic or thematic through line in any way, just a bunch of scatter shot ideas that feel like they were put together in the last few months. Idk like I said the music is still good for the most part but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t expect more.

Facts. I was so worried when he said people was going to hate in CLB like they did Views and that it was “music to evolve to”. Like I don’t think he truly understood why people hated on Views and why people grew to love it. Literally everything about Views was perfect aside from the rapping. Besides on on Weston Road Flow and the outro the rapping was very few and when he did it wasn’t the best.

But the production?? F***ing beautiful felt like a movie. The singing songs??? Feel No Ways, Fire & Desire, One Dance, Too Good, Controlla, Redemption???? Some of his best songs. All Views needed was to take out filler songs like With You (give it to Party), Faithful (give it to dvsn), Grammys, (give it to future), and Pop Style (give it to Khaled or a dumpster truck) and replace them with some top tier rap songs that preferably have different subject matter from his usually s*** and Views would have been his magnum opus and one of the best albums of all time.

CLB has so many flaws. Way too many things wrong with it. It doesn’t contain any of his best songs, the production for the most part is boring, dry and lacks individuality, the rap songs are good but his boring ass flow on most of them and the not as sharp and witty lyrics stop them from being anywhere near his best in that category of songs he makes, the singing songs aren’t nearly as good as most of his past ones. NAH CLB ain’t gunna grow on most people like Views did man. Drake truly delusional if he thinks that. CLB the definition of some mid.

lifeless delivery, boring samey beats, wack features

To build on this I also think he’s afraid to experiment or at least deviate outside of the sound of his last couple albums because he’s built up this whole “No. 1 on top of the game superstar” reputation. In order to stay on top we’ll keep receiving audio pig slop for the masses

I go back n forth on this. I feel like So Far Gone and Take Care were close to this level of singing heavy but ultimately, I think Drake gives us the EPs and the features to make up for the lack of rapping on his albums and that makes me okay with it. We got Lemon Pepper Freestyle, Wants & Needs, Seeing Green, and Having Our Way before this. Drizzy gave us bars this year

but people don't like him for a reason. his music doesn't do anything for me personally? and that reason is that every album for the last half decade has been more of the same

can you find some different beats? sure, but when you press play on a Drake album you know exactly what you're gunna get. when you press play on a Kanye album, or a Tyler album, or a Gambino album you have no idea what you're about to get.

is it okay to like Drake? of course, he just doesn't do anything for some people and that's okay

I'd say no. It was popular beforee 2016. He helped introduce it to people who may have not been alive in the 2000s where beanie man, sean paul and even nina sky had big dancehall tracks in the us but so did bieber and so did sia.