Dec 19, 2025
BuryYaTacoBut the only thing she knows about zoisia the human being is she likes mango ice cream . So it’s tough to say whether she loves her or she just being manipulated but all the knowledge of all of them including Helen . She can’t ever talk to Helen again but the hive has essentially uploaded Helen personality into zoisia then added in the brain of Carols biggest fans of her work . Carol never cared about the books like that besides it making Carol happy and making them money
I think Carol is fully aware that the Others want her to abandon her mission to change things back to the way they used to be and join them.
Part of the reason why she's kept her whiteboard updated about all the facts she's learned about them is so she doesn't lose sight of her ultimate goal and right before her and Zosia kiss, she calls her out on the attempt to get her comfortable and manipulate her into giving up her mission.
Carol knows what's going on and a part of her understands that everything happening with Zosia is all a part of the Others' ploy to get her comfortable. I think on some level, she doesn't care and is just glad to have that human connection again because she knows that won't be what stops her.
I said in an older post that Carol is a softie at heart. She loves being in love/having a partner. She loves routine. She loves having a sense of security by way of being in a relationship with someone else — that's why I always saw her and Zosia as being inevitable.
Now, maybe she isn't "in love" with Zosia yet, but she definitely cares about her and I think Zosia will be the first person she tries to save from the hold/influence of the Others.
Dec 19, 2025BuryYaTacoThe hive controls the internet
I was wondering why she was listening to a cd if internet still existed
I think carol using cd's and dvd's implies she isn't a very tech savy person and prefers to be "offline". In the pilot she doesn't have a cell phone and her having a home phone could suggest she doesn't use one in general
Dec 19, 2025·1 replyBuryYaTacoShe is going to ask the hive to translate for her and manusos going to realize he learned English to speak to her and she still relies on hive
can see it- Dec 19, 2025Extremely Volatile can see it
People saying use internet but she listens to cds hasn’t really used internet
Dec 20, 2025·1 replythegreatdivineI don't think Zosia has feelings for Carol. I think, like Carol herself mentioned, they Others are simply trying to make Carol happy by doing what they know best — giving her everything they think she wants and getting her comfortable so she eventually abandons her mission to change the world back to how it was before (and maybe even hopefully join them as well). Carol asking for them to come back was the extension of the olive branch they needed to feel safe and comfortable enough to be around Carol again and its not surprising that the person they brought right back to Carol's doorstep was Zosia.
I also thought it was notable that when Carol asked Zosia what her favorite meal was, Zosia was able to temporarily tap into her own personal memories for a happy memory that dated back to her childhood. I don't know what that'll go on to mean, but my guess is that it'll probably end up being one of the ways (if not the way) humanity can break away from the hold/influence of the Others.
I'm very excited for episode 9 but I don't think Carol's feelings for Zosia are surface-level. I think she's come to deeply care about (I mean, since Zosia kissed her, they've been shacking up together and Carol is back writing again — for real this time). I think Carol will still carry on her mission to get the world back to the way it was but she'll shift her sights into trying to free Zosia first.
So you understand it’s manipulation (and my rapey commentary hasn’t gone anywhere) but still consider it love making?
- Dec 20, 2025·2 repliesOscar Winner
So you understand it’s manipulation (and my rapey commentary hasn’t gone anywhere) but still consider it love making?
You're free to think whatever you want. I've already said what I think.
Dec 20, 2025·2 repliesthegreatdivineYou're free to think whatever you want. I've already said what I think.
“It’s not love but it is love making”
- Dec 20, 2025·1 replythegreatdivine
You're free to think whatever you want. I've already said what I think.
But it is quite literally rape when you break it down, it’s similar to when someone is f***ed up on d**** or liquor to the point they have no will power to say no. Feel me?
- Dec 20, 2025·1 replyTDUB701
“It’s not love but it is love making”
Niggas be on here saying anything lmao
The question is why do some people want a forced love story? This s*** isn’t romance lmao.
It’s a f***ed up sci fi story and commentary on the complexity of humanity when it comes to grieving, loneliness, etc
- Dec 20, 2025·2 repliesTDUB701
“It’s not love but it is love making”
Lovemaking = s***= f***ing. Choose whatever term you want. It's all the same. I already said they had s***so you acting like you had any real issues with what I said is hilarious but carry on.
- Dec 20, 2025·1 replythegreatdivine
Lovemaking = s***= f***ing. Choose whatever term you want. It's all the same. I already said they had s***so you acting like you had any real issues with what I said is hilarious but carry on.
See I thought you meant love making in the sense of “two people who are in love having sex”
Thats usually how I use the term. Lmao why not just saying f***ing then?
Dec 20, 2025·1 replyOscar WinnerNiggas be on here saying anything lmao
The question is why do some people want a forced love story? This s*** isn’t romance lmao.
It’s a f***ed up sci fi story and commentary on the complexity of humanity when it comes to grieving, loneliness, etc
Is love and yearning not included in the complex humanity to be explored within the context of this f***ed up sci-fi story?
- Dec 20, 2025·1 replydrowner
Is love and yearning not included in the complex humanity to be explored within the context of this f***ed up sci-fi story?
Falling in “love” with someone who has no individual will power to tell you “no” isn’t love is what I’m saying.
It can definitely be explored. It should be explored cus it’s interesting and f***ed up. But it’s not what some of these niggas is wishing for lol
- Dec 20, 2025·1 replythegreatdivine
Lovemaking = s***= f***ing. Choose whatever term you want. It's all the same. I already said they had s***so you acting like you had any real issues with what I said is hilarious but carry on.
Love making and f***ing 2 very different things to me lol
That’s why I thought you were implying it was all lovey covey and romantic, which it wasn’t
- Dec 20, 2025Oscar Winner
See I thought you meant love making in the sense of “two people who are in love having sex”
Thats usually how I use the term. Lmao why not just saying f***ing then?
I already said they had s***in another post. I also said I know Zosia doesn't love Carol and is just trying to manipulate her. Carol, on the other hand, I think was just longing for human connection and is still grieving from losing Helen, who was her long-term romantic partner. And while I don't think she's in love with Zosia, I think she cares about her and would want to free her from the influence of the Others.
- Dec 20, 2025thegreatdivine
Both characters made love in the series. We can sit here all day and debate the ethics around that, considering the fact that basically everyone in the world isn't in control of their own actions anymore, no thanks to the Others taking over, but Zosia (yes, as part of the Joining) did kiss Carol. Carol didn't initiate it or even ask for it. Zosia kissed Carol and Carol (who had lost her long-time partner, had witnessed the world get taken over by the Others and had then been abandoned for over a month, was longing for affection and human connection) kissed her back and then they had sex.
I think the Others are simply doing whatever they can to keep Carol happy.
That's why they rebuilt her favorite restaurant and brought back her favorite waitress — they initially thought that'd be what would do the trick. You could see Zosia being confused about why Carol was upset when she abruptly left the restaurant.
It wasn't until Carol confirmed that she liked Zosia that Zosia (as part of the Others) kissed Carol (as a way to see if that would make her happy). Carol kissed her back, they made love and have been shacking up together ever since.
@TDUB701 I used having s***and making love interchangeably in this post.
- Dec 20, 2025TDUB701
Love making and f***ing 2 very different things to me lol
That’s why I thought you were implying it was all lovey covey and romantic, which it wasn’t
I use both terms interchangeably.
- Dec 20, 2025
I'll say this, though. I love how many questions this show asks without necessarily answering them (at least, not yet).
- Dec 20, 2025·2 repliesOscar Winner
Falling in “love” with someone who has no individual will power to tell you “no” isn’t love is what I’m saying.
It can definitely be explored. It should be explored cus it’s interesting and f***ed up. But it’s not what some of these niggas is wishing for lol
Sure I agree n all that obviously but why is that such a big deal if they want something a little more cookie cutter. Shippers exist in every single fandom, this aint new, most arent even being serious lol
The hostility im seeing towards some pockets of the fandom just got me confused
Dec 20, 2025·2 replies- Dec 20, 2025·1 replydrowner
Sure I agree n all that obviously but why is that such a big deal if they want something a little more cookie cutter. Shippers exist in every single fandom, this aint new, most arent even being serious lol
The hostility im seeing towards some pockets of the fandom just got me confused
I think you just being sensitive homie, move around. The people im debating with don’t have an issue with the debate.
That’s what we here for
- Dec 20, 2025·2 repliesdrowner
Sure I agree n all that obviously but why is that such a big deal if they want something a little more cookie cutter. Shippers exist in every single fandom, this aint new, most arent even being serious lol
The hostility im seeing towards some pockets of the fandom just got me confused
I think most people are watching the show as a piece of entertainment (what it really is) and then you have those who are really taking it in as a commentary on society or some s***. I get that Vince asks some philosophical and ethical questions using the show but at the end of the day, it's still just a show.
Most of the tweets I'm seeing about the show are shipping Carol and Zosia (partly because they're two attractive women and also) because people simply love to ship people together in shows (and frankly, outside of Carol and Zosia and discussing the ethics of an alien species taking over the entire world, there isn't much else to talk about in the show).
People will ship two characters who they know are wrong for each other and could ruin each other's lives so I don't know why some people are surprised they're doing the same here lol.
- Dec 20, 2025Oscar Winner
But it is quite literally rape when you break it down, it’s similar to when someone is f***ed up on d**** or liquor to the point they have no will power to say no. Feel me?
Which is why I think show will focus on zoisia having free will because otherwise it will get really dark
- Dec 20, 2025·1 replythegreatdivine
I think most people are watching the show as a piece of entertainment (what it really is) and then you have those who are really taking it in as a commentary on society or some s***. I get that Vince asks some philosophical and ethical questions using the show but at the end of the day, it's still just a show.
Most of the tweets I'm seeing about the show are shipping Carol and Zosia (partly because they're two attractive women and also) because people simply love to ship people together in shows (and frankly, outside of Carol and Zosia and discussing the ethics of an alien species taking over the entire world, there isn't much else to talk about in the show).
People will ship two characters who they know are wrong for each other and could ruin each other's lives so I don't know why some people are surprised they're doing the same here lol.
I mean I think it’s different if they made it more clear zoisia was in control than hive using zoisia body to convert carol. It’s a interesting moral quandry
- Dec 20, 2025·1 replyOscar Winner
I think you just being sensitive homie, move around. The people im debating with don’t have an issue with the debate.
That’s what we here for
I'm not talking about you personally or even just KTT, look in the mirror. I asked you because the thought came to me while yall were having the relevant discussion
Take my question at face value and a great debate is on the table right there, but never mind
I think the moral implications of what fans want out of this show in particular is an interesting thought.