RASIE

7y

It's almost as if it's being done intentionally

RASIE

7y

Yep. And since the press made a huge circus with the first "Coppola backs Marty, calls MCU films despicable" story, trying to be among the first ones to get the headline published — now almost nobody cares (or probably even knows) about that quote being mistranslated.

All that matters to the public is that first "despicable" quote that makes it seem like he's just trashing the films themselves.

I guarantee you, in the next 20-30 years when Coppola passes away, the vast majority of tribute/obituary articles will reference the out-of-context "despicable" quote when talking about his public activity leading up to death. Smh

SegaDreamFlash

7y

boy

RASIE

7y

@Wahi - Since we can't edit quotes on this site (on mobile at least), I'll just gonna tag you

I don't hear the same people "outing" respective filmmakers for having a foot in making "amusement park, Steven Spielberg films for instance, ex his Indiana Jones series. If you're going to spew some elite bs like that, keep it consistent.

You haven't? That's a bit strange to me tbh, haha

Much of Spielberg's career in particular has been commonly put under the "amusement park" umbrella for a long time now, especially with Jaws being ubiquitously cited as the blueprint for the modern blockbuster and whatnot. Then the others like Indiana Jones, Jurassic Park, and ET are typically treated in the same vein. (And they also got their fair share of negative feedback from other filmmakers at the time and afterwards, some even being Spielberg's New Hollywood contemporaries.)

Tbh, I've rarely ever seen anyone talk about those Spielberg films more critically than people talk about current blockbuster franchises (e.g., Star Wars/MCU). Jaws is arguably the only thing close to being an exception out of all in regards to criticism, cause I've read a good handful of essays mining that film with a little bit more depth by comparison. And I think it's also at least worth noting that even some of Spielberg's more serious, non-franchis films (e.g., Schindler's List, Saving Private Ryan) have been criticized for having "amusement park"-like aesthetics — not only by some major critics, but a significant amount of major (largely European) filmmakers.

But even if we set aside all the above, I think there's another issue that remains with this "outing other respectable filmmakers like Spielberg" counter: I don't really see how whether or not people do this is actually significant to the arguments being made against more recent "amusement park" film culture tbh.

Yeah, films like those by Spielberg indeed were the "amusement park" equivalents in their time, but they also didn't cast a shadow over that era's market like Disney's output has increasingly within the past decade. And the studios responsible for those Spielberg films (and other "amusement park" fare) at the time also weren't operating in the same theater screening environment, didn't have remotely comparable ad-mark budgets, didn't have nearly the same amount tools or avenues for ad-mark, and industry competition in general wasn't as tense as it is now.

I can definitely see the value in acknowledging the current "amusement park" movie model's roots, but I also don't think pointing out others who fail to do so highlights any notable flaw in their argument — especially when the separations between past and present-day "amusement park movies" exist in those various economic levels. If nothing else, the "keep it consistent" counter just seems far too easy and tempting to jump on when the topic is as complex as this one is. (Similar to the "they're the most popular because that what audiences want to see" falsehood that's been used ad nauseam by everyone, even Disney execs themselves recently, since this topic became public discourse.)

Providing more opportunities for smaller/independent films are one thing, while bashing one is another

This, on the other hand, I totally agree with

G Roy

7y

Its funny bc i was watching an interview from Spielberg from around the time of Jurassic park I think where he was responding to arguments similar to this

Fahim

7y

Every major blockbuster is garbage, with very few exceptions.

Drogon

7y

Johnny Depp has one of the best performances i've ever seen in Fear and Loathing everytime i watch it i have to remind myself it's him what a talent.

Amber Heard can f*** off the lying filthy untalented whooooorrrreee

SUPERMAN

7y

can't stand depp or his fans

Fahim

7y

I long for the day we can express our contempt with someone without using race/gendered/sexual orientation based insults.

Drogon

7y

i bet you're fun at parties.

ithaka

7y

I really really wish I could say Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was fun and investing

Wahi

7y

Nigga!

C'mon son, you don't really mean this. It's a f***ing Tarantino flick w DiCaprio and Brad, what's not to like

ithaka

7y

PLS FORGIV ME SENPAI

I know it sounds great on paper, and I was HYPED went day one, first screening!

But man did it feel like it was just a wanking of oscar bait acting.. it didn’t drive me to anywhere but a typical phoned in Tarantino ending which wasn’t even a good enough payoff, over the top, altho the last scene with the music made me bittersweet

But I’ve only seen it once so I’ll get back to it neutral and see how it grows on me fam, but as of now if I’m keeping it 100% that’s how it makes me feel

What’s your top Tarantino?