He probably would but he's been one of the best players in the NBA too lol
The fact remains that in most professional leagues trans women arent disproportionately dominating and i'd rather deal with reality than hypotheticals of NBA hall of famers going thru HRT to be the Wilt of the WNBA
There's no disproportionate dominance because there's just not a lot of trans athletes. A lot of the ones who did transition and then went to women's sports went from mediocre or solid men's records into upper tier women records. One of then was juniper Eastwood who said her pre transition records in high school would have made her a national champ for women divisions.
There is undoubtedly a massive physical advantage, even after HRT.
Even after HRT they’re still able to outcompete women and are physically capable of more than women are.
I hate to keep bringing it up but the fact that trans women over compete and trans men under compete should show your right there that the biology is still there
I never denied that there was an advantage, it's just not bigger than other advantages we don't have any issue with
Trans women after HRT are a lot closer to cis women in terms of strength than cis men
There's no disproportionate dominance because there's just not a lot of trans athletes. A lot of the ones who did transition and then went to women's sports went from mediocre or solid men's records into upper tier women records. One of then was juniper Eastwood who said her pre transition records in high school would have made her a national champ for women divisions.
There is undoubtedly a massive physical advantage, even after HRT.
There's no disproportionate dominance because there's just not a lot of trans athletes.
Do you know what disproportionate means
I never denied that there was an advantage, it's just not bigger than other advantages we don't have any issue with
Trans women after HRT are a lot closer to cis women in terms of strength than cis men
Idk if they are. Because if that’s the case then why are trans men not close to cis men?
Women’s sports only exists bc women didn’t/couldn’t compete with men
Not bc men banned women from competing with them
So the entire advantage/disadvantage thing doesn’t make sense bc there are only 2 leagues:
Everybody league
Biologically female league
I don’t get why a league made for a specific group/type of people should have to change their standards to let in people that they did not design the league for. Other than bc it would hurt ppls feelings
If you don’t fit in the 2nd league compete in the first league
Idk if they are. Because if that’s the case then why are trans men not close to cis men?
They actually are closer
The disadvantage of trans men is also smaller than the advantage of trans women btw
It’s not about taking over it’s about taking someone else’s place
If the sport in question is highly important to the trans person in question, I don’t see why they wouldn’t just make the personal sacrifice to compete in the sport that has the category of people they share the same s***that they themselves were born with
Sports are a privilege and are a business. Personal life and affairs don’t really have any place in them , for men nor women. If it’s the day of competition nobody is gonna care if your mom died that morning you still gotta compete this afternoon or else you lose
Yeah why would trans people care about being misgendered to the point of competing in the wrong category if sports is so important to them lol
Yeah why would trans people care about being misgendered to the point of competing in the wrong category if sports is so important to them lol
It’s not misgender it’s accurate born s**
Genuine question how much of an advantage does being biologically male even give you
Like ofc males and females are biologically different but how much to the point where its a factor in sports like this
You do know that women are not banned from the NBA
They actually are closer
The disadvantage of trans men is also smaller than the advantage of trans women btw
Then why do trans women over compete and trans men under compete compared to what they did pre transition?
I know what all the studies and s*** say should be happening in theory but in practice things are going down the opposite way
Personal life =/= sports
Every one has to make sacrifices
Being trans isn't a personal life choice so this doesn't mean anything
Why is a height advantage after HRT different than male puberty exactly
If you are one standard deviation above the male mean for a physically advantageous trait, you are several standard deviations above the female mean. This is problematic because these traits are presumably distributed roughly normally and not uniformly, so each standard deviation makes you "rarer".
Your argument seems to be "Well, LeBron is massive and insanely quick and explosive, so why didn't we ban him from the NBA?". The difference is that LeBron is still within the bounds of conceivable male athletes, he's just on the very far side of spectrum.
If LeBron decided to transition into a woman, she would be a god with a literal one-in-a-trillion combination of size and athleticism relative to her competitors, and would drop 300 points a game.
Being trans isn't a personal life choice so this doesn't mean anything
The decision to take hormones or have any types of surgery is completely a personal choice
Then why do trans women over compete and trans men under compete compared to what they did pre transition?
I know what all the studies and s*** say should be happening in theory but in practice things are going down the opposite way
I'm not saying that they don't, just not as much as people are saying, it's easy to portray that narrative using anecdotes and not actual statistics.
Again my point is not that the advantage/disadvantage doesn't exist, it's just that the advantage isn't as big as other advantages that we don't make the same big deal out of.
The decision to take hormones or have any types of surgery is completely a personal choice
Would u say getting treated for cancer is a personal life choice?
Would u say getting treated for cancer is a personal life choice?
If I had cancer and decided to go to chemo instead of my soccer game, yes it is my personal choice
I can’t make demands that they change the date of the game for me or change rules for me/my personal life choices
If I had cancer and decided to go to chemo instead of my soccer game, yes it is my personal choice
I can’t make demands that they change the date of the game for me or change rules for me/my personal life choices
6 ft is taller than 82% of men in the US
I'm not denying transwomen have any advantages (the scientific literature on it still isn't conclusive on that), but i'm just saying that people are focusing on this one relatively small unfair genetic advantage instead of the genetic advantage of being taller than 99.9% of the population, and there really is no reason for that because it's not like leagues where transwomen are not excluded are being dominated by transwomen, but the NBA is being dominated by people taller than 99.9% of the population
why is one unfair genetic advantage which actually has more impact not a problem less important than another unfair genetic advantage which is way less impactful? it usually just comes down to the fact that the people who focus on the latter have an agenda that has nothing to do with keeping sports leagues fair or whatever
this is borderline unhinged
This reply let’s me know that you know it is a personal choice
And it’s funny you brought up cancer bc I went to high school with someone who had to stop playing soccer bc of it (which was why I brought up soccer)
Which is also why my original point was that everyone has to make sacrifices
Scratchin Bandit only knows how to argue via false equivalences unfortunately
Would u say getting treated for cancer is a personal life choice?
quite obviously yes, is english your second language?
Scratchin Bandit only knows how to argue via false equivalences unfortunately
He's making a fair argument about the difference between the genetic advantage of maleness and other genetic advantages.
I don't completely agree with him, but I think his point is important to discuss.